Spyderco 8Cr13MoV vs. Kershaw 14C28N

[hardheart]

http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=8Cr13MoV, 14C28N&ni=857,&hrn=1&gm=0

geometry & heat treat is going to make the difference in these similar steels, and when dealing with two companies, two countries of manufacture, two production facilities, and 6-8 different models, you'll be hard pressed to compare the steels.

 

[Dorito Monk]

Dorito, any chance comparing Tenacious with the Ganzo or others you have (SRM, Enlan, Navy, Ganzo)?

I could try, but I'd have to use the Enlan / SRM knives I have first to make a fair comparison. I bought a few SRM / Enlan / Ganzo knives a little while ago, and the only one I've really put through its paces is the Ganzo 704, and it uses 440C (which might be less than trustworthy, but it seems to perform like 440C in my use of it). I have 3 other ones that all use the same steel as the Tenacious, but they've pretty much sat in their boxes since I bought them. If you want, though, I'll definitely try a couple of them out and give you some impressions of them. :thumbup:

 

[FCM415]

If you want to try out a Spyderco to see how it is but concerned about the steel, I suggest you look into a Spyderco that has VG10 steel. It is their standard steel much like 14C28N is Kershaw's. Of course, a Tenacious in 8cr is a great introduction to Spyderco, but since I notice that you value steel performance, Spyderco's go to steel would better represent the brand for you. VG10 has a very good reputation so you can check bladesteel off your list. I wouldnt compare one brands 8cr13Mov against another's next level up especially if you are out for first impressions. It's fairer to compare the Tenacious line steel performance wise to a Cryo, Ososweet, or Tremor.

 

[agile_1]

http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=8Cr13MoV, 14C28N&ni=857,&hrn=1&gm=0

Nice informational site.

 

[KnottyEagle]

geometry & heat treat is going to make the difference in these similar steels, and when dealing with two companies, two countries of manufacture, two production facilities, and 6-8 different models, you'll be hard pressed to compare the steels.

Yeah I understand that. I was trying to give him a general comparison of how the steels perform. All of the factors you listed are going to make a big difference. I was hoping that he could gather just a general consensus.

 

[Chris "Anagarika"]

I could try, but I'd have to use the Enlan / SRM knives I have first to make a fair comparison. I bought a few SRM / Enlan / Ganzo knives a little while ago, and the only one I've really put through its paces is the Ganzo 704, and it uses 440C (which might be less than trustworthy, but it seems to perform like 440C in my use of it). I have 3 other ones that all use the same steel as the Tenacious, but they've pretty much sat in their boxes since I bought them. If you want, though, I'll definitely try a couple of them out and give you some impressions of them. :thumbup:

Thank you!

As urban dweller working desk job, I get less chance to work the knives out. You seem to have more opportunity.

 

[Spyder328]

If you want to try out a Spyderco to see how it is but concerned about the steel, I suggest you look into a Spyderco that has VG10 steel. It is their standard steel much like 14C28N is Kershaw's. Of course, a Tenacious in 8cr is a great introduction to Spyderco, but since I notice that you value steel performance, Spyderco's go to steel would better represent the brand for you. VG10 has a very good reputation so you can check bladesteel off your list. I wouldnt compare one brands 8cr13Mov against another's next level up especially if you are out for first impressions. It's fairer to compare the Tenacious line steel performance wise to a Cryo, Ososweet, or Tremor.

Its good to know about the VG10. Thanks. I was asking about how they compare because I have a few Kershaws with the 14C28N and I know how it performs.

 

[hardheart]

Yeah I understand that. I was trying to give him a general comparison of how the steels perform. All of the factors you listed are going to make a big difference. I was hoping that he could gather just a general consensus.

I agree with you, I was just using the convenience of your link to highlight the similarities. People will say one steel is better than another when they are comparing different knives, but the differences in the knives can be the source of the results more than the alloy. I've done it before, but then I saw through testing that a 0.010" difference in edge thickness can make a 20% difference in results. And that is not the most significant thing that affects performance with small changes. 20% is often more than the difference in wear resistance between two steels being compared, and your link to the chart shows how the alloy content of the two steels is close enough that any observed results can be dependent on a lot of things other than the steels.