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I was just over in the "General Knife Discussion" area and there was a thread regarding Spyderco's carbon fiber. Some people were saying that the Taiwan produced models that are "carbon fiber" were actually g-10 with a thing layer of carbon fiber over it.......
So what I'm getting at is well, is this true???

Thanks,
Zach
 
1Shot, you keep linking the Peel-ply thread, but it's not relevant here.

OP is asking about the false CF on the Taiwan models. Which apparently is G-10 with a thin layer of CF.

Peel-ply is the opposite. It's carbon fiber with a resin layer that's textured. Peel-ply is mostly CF, the Taiwan stuff is mostly G-10.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. Spyderco hasn't weighed in.
 
Sorry I posted the link hoping it would get read...everything from Spydercos website states that its real carbon fiber. Why lie? Yes, I specifically looked at the Taiwan knives...where did the op hear this rumor...initially?
 
7:20 mark.
Not my vid, but this guy knows his stuff.

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I still call bs on that...just because its black on the backside? really? If you look in his video you can still see the cf twill all the way through the thumb relief.
 
Again, I could be wrong, I 'll be the first to admit it if I am.

I don't buy the Taiwan models, so I'll probably never know first hand.

I do respect Tuffthumbz(vid) experience in working with handle materials. He is quite skilled.
 
This model is in recognition of knifemaker Michael Walker's contribution to the knife industry with his creation of the LinerLock? and ball bearing detent method of locking open a folding knife. While the knife is made in Taiwan, the flat-ground blade is produced with USA made CPM S30V. It is paired with a twill-woven carbon fiber handle and LinerLock.
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Straight from Spydercos website...

edit: Are we sure people aren't confusing CF/G10 blend? This I've seen on custom knives and its cool as hell...but not exactly less expensive as to justify using it on a production level. I could be mistaken. (2 layers of cf and 2 layers of G10 fiber)
 
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I would like a specific answer regarding the Laci Szabo folder gold Line carbon fiber.

Thanks !

1234,,,:)
 
1SHOT1KILL said:
I still call bs on that...just because its black on the backside? really?
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No, it's not only because its black on the backside. You have to look at the SIDE of the scales. If there are weaves all the way through then it is full cf. The cf layers have waves. G10 or whatever has no lines or straight lines.

Some models have cf laminated to both sides like my cf balance or cf ukpk. The peel ply cf models and the new dodo cf use full carbon fiber scales.
 
1SHOT1KILL said:
I still call bs on that...just because its black on the backside? really? If you look in his video you can still see the cf twill all the way through the thumb relief.
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Sage 1:
SpydercoSageCFspydiehole_0001.jpg


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Szabo:

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Based on the evidence in my photos (above), I'd say the Sage 1 is solid CF (see layers).

The Szabo appears to have a layer of G10 overlaid by an equally thick layer of CF (not a thin veneer).

Either way, I'm cool with it! :D
 
racer88 said:
Based on the evidence in my photos (above), I'd say the Sage 1 is solid CF (see layers).

The Szabo appears to have a layer of G10 overlaid by an equally thick layer of CF (not a thin veneer).

Either way, I'm cool with it! :D
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you can see the exact same pattern on cutouts of g10 scales, what you see is the fiberglass layers of g10 and you can also see that the pattern is much tighter on the cutout that on the top layer. obviously not the same stuff.

the taiwanese style CF with apparent weave is black g10 with just a layer of carbon fiber glued on top. thats what you got on the gayle bradley/sage series. i know that because i chipped the scales ogf my gayle bradley and a flake of cf went showing the g10 (or whatever but nothing like the top layer) underneath.

that's not a bad thing imho g10 is plenty strong, and i don't know any other way to make the weave apparent like these without gluing some on top of something else. gluing cf on top of solid cf would be a stupid waste imho.

i'll try to get the pictures later. if i find them back on my imageshack account

No pic anymore, I had to shot a new one, sorry poor light It's raining here. It's visible on the album's last pic, between the last screw and the lanyard hole

https://picasaweb.google.com/104854248257080006253/CarbonFiber#5815133686711112962

CarbonFiber
 
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who said there was a concern ? its pretty clever actually.

again, there's no other way i know to expose the weave texture like we like on the taiwanese models, you have to glue a layer of weaved fiber on top of something else. now having said that, you have a layer of genuine weaved carbon fiber glued on something that won't really show, why gluing it on solid CF ? imho this would be an useless expense. black g10 or i dont know what they use is a good choice. some flashy colored g10 could be another...

from the picture it could be black g10 or the stuff CuScaDi sells as ''CF micarta''. I have a mule handle in this stuff and its a bit different than g10, can't say what it is for sure though. looks like micarta with the resin loaded with graphite or something like that.
 
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racer88 said:
Based on the evidence in my photos (above), I'd say the Sage 1 is solid CF (see layers).

The Szabo appears to have a layer of G10 overlaid by an equally thick layer of CF (not a thin veneer).

Either way, I'm cool with it! :D
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You do know that G10 has layers right? What you are seeing is the layers of G10. Layers of carbon fiber are instantly, noticeably different.


I will take pics tonight to prove this. It's easy to see, especially when paired up beside known black G10 scales. The cutouts look identical, as well as the "layering" on the sides of the scales.
 
Also, anyone who has seen real LSCF knows that the scales on the Szabo are imitation. The "copper wires" in the szabo scales aren't actual copper wires. Just some clever coloring.

Does it affect anything? Nope. Don't see what the big deal is.
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
You do know that G10 has layers right? What you are seeing is the layers of G10. Layers of carbon fiber are instantly, noticeably different.
I will take pics tonight to prove this. It's easy to see, especially when paired up beside known black G10 scales. The cutouts look identical, as well as the "layering" on the sides of the scales.
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Yes, I know that. However, to my admittedly untrained eye, the layers in the Sage scales look homogenous... the same... they match the CF layer's appearance... to me.

On the other hand, the Szabo's 2 layers look distinct to me. The layer next to the metal liner is not the same as the outer layer.

Ultimately, I don't care at all. I just provided the macro photos as fodder for the discussion. :)
 
racer88 said:
Based on the evidence in my photos (above), I'd say the Sage 1 is solid CF (see layers).

The Szabo appears to have a layer of G10 overlaid by an equally thick layer of CF (not a thin veneer).

Either way, I'm cool with it! :D
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GB, also a Taichung knife, is solid CF.
 
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