Spyderco Chinook II : some lock work

Cliff Stamp

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Impacts :

The blade was subjected to hard spine whacks into wood and then concrete. The concrete damaged the tip but the lock was not effected. Hard backcuts into solid objects also did not disengage or loosen the lock.

Torques :

The knife was stabbed into a seasoned 2x4 with 1/2" penetration and twisted sideways until it rotated around in the wood thus digging a hole. This was very difficult as the wood was solid. The knife was then drove deeper with aid of a mallet until it could not be twisted by hand and the lock was still fine.

Chopping and batoning :

The Chinook was used to chop through some 1x4 board, it had 1/10 the chopping ability of the GB Wildlife Hatchet. The penetration was strong, but there was little impact energy, it was more cutting than chopping. Four sections were cut, ~150 chops in total. No effect on the lock. A few dozen Alders were cut down, 1/4" to 1/2" thick, again no effect on lock.

The knife was then used to baton through 1/2" up to 2" seasoned spruce. The batoning was light, over a dozen hits to cut through the larger wood on both sides. Then to check for high stress the knife was hit a couple of times harder and the lock bar started to seperate. It could take light batoning fine, but it was not difficult to damage the lock with harder impacts.

However even with the lock with a visible gap underneath it, the lock still engaged securely though play was evident.

Prying :

With lateral prying, the knife quickly lost the tip. It didn't hardly stress the wood and the tip broke off about 1/2" back from the point breaking in several places in the wood, S30V is not a great prying steel, no surprise there. The lock was not effected.

The knife was placed deeper in the wood until the full width of the blade took the strain. A friend straddled the knife and plank with one foot on the end of the handle and another on the board (195 lbs) and the knife bent, but not enough to take a set and the lock was not effected.

Hammering :

As a last check the knife was stressed from butt to point by placing the cracked point against a log and hitting the butt with a piece of wood to drive the knife in. This was actually going to be a test of the lock by doing a deadlift however the knife broke suddenly as the pin which the blade actually rotates around sheared off. It is actually quite small compared to the heavy duty nature of the rest of the knife. A more robust hinge pin might be of benefit.

Summary :

It takes a large amount of force to damage the lock on this knife, and aside from possible butt to point impacts, the blade will be broken lock before the lock is made insecure.

The Chinook II is a very heavy duty folder, capable of high loads before the lock is damaged and even then it continues to be secure.

It isn't capable of heavy impact batoning, but can be hit hard enough to cut clear wood, heavy knots would have to be avoided and worked around.

-Cliff
 
Mommy knives probably tell their little knives horror stories about you to make them behave.

"Eat your whittling, or I'll send you to CLIFF!"

>horrified gasps all around the table<
 
Gryffin said:
Mommy knives probably tell their little knives horror stories about you to make them behave.

"Eat your whittling, or I'll send you to CLIFF!"

>horrified gasps all around the table<


ROTFLMAO!! :) :) :) :) :)
 
Cliff, another job well done!

Mr. Glesser, if your still on when this comes through, just wanted to let you know that after seeing the way you value all the feed back from Forum members, and your support of Cliff's testing, I just ordered a Para military. :cool:
 
Speaking of the Para Military..

Have you ever experimented on one of those?
Betcha' it would be lots of fun.
 
It's good to hear that the Chinook II was up to the test...not that I thought it wouldn't be.

I have to say that the Chinook II is one of my all time favorite Spyderco knives. It's the only knife to challenge my Military for EDC/SD use.
 
Wow Sal,
I am going to buy a Spyderco right now! You really should write a book!! I am impressed as all get out!!
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Cliff. thanx for the test. Would you like a Manix?

sal


Do it, Cliff! I wanna know! :eek:


There's actually a test I've always wondered about. Suppose you wrapped something around the Boye Detent to hold it in about 1/3rd to 1/2 the way toward unlocking it and then tested the lock in that state? This would simulate what kind of behavior you could expect from the lock should your grip push the lock release in a little. I'd really be interested in knowing about that. :confused:
 
Great test Cliff - I wanna see all the mega folders tested similarly, side by side. Manix, Chinnok, The benchmade (skirmish is it?) and Striders. I reckon you could promote it like a WWF smackdown and sell tickets.
 
fulloflead said:
Do it, Cliff! I wanna know! :eek:


There's actually a test I've always wondered about. Suppose you wrapped something around the Boye Detent to hold it in about 1/3rd to 1/2 the way toward unlocking it and then tested the lock in that state?

If the knife didn't have a boye detent I could see doing this, but with the detents it's just about impossible for me to depress the lock unless the knife is in a reverse grip and i clamp down really hard. Cutting down old cardboard with my Endura for easier disposal however I do half-release the lock on a regular basis, with a "normal" but very firm grip, so it's something that probably should be tested with normal locks, IE: how easy is it to defeat when grip pressure begins to disengage it, similar to how liners are tested via torquing, which is one mode of failure for that particular lock. Does it slip as soon as the lock is even slightly moved or do you really have to have it wide open before the blade closes.
 
I don't know if I could stand to watch Cliff work. Nice pretty new Manix...PWING!!! There goes the tip! KERACK!! There goes the pivot pin!

Time for a new Spydie!
 
G’day Cliff,
Your testing methods and procedures are often non scientific and sometimes controversial, however I have found all your reviews on this site and your own site to be extremely valuable when making a knife purchase decision. If I ever find myself in a life threatening situation, then I want to be carrying a knife that you have put through its paces and come out on top.
I enjoyed the focus of this review on the locking mechanism of the Chinook and appreciated Sal’s gesture for a Manix to be donated for torture. This would be a good time for other manufactures to submit a heavy duty folder to see how they stack up. Lock back, Axis, Framelock etc would make fine reading.
 
This is the first review of Mr. Stamp's that I have read (that I am aware of).
All I have to asy is that he is a maniac.

For awhile, I was testing military hardware, and would thoroughly abuse it in any way that was possible. Mr. Stamp, I wish that you had been working with me. What an awesome test and review.

Not to mention knife.
(got one, love it, and Sal hears enough of this.)
 
Great review. While it is wrong for you to take face-value statements that the Manix has a similar or stronger lock than the Chinook II, I hope that you find its breaking point.
 
Cliff,
It makes me shudder sometimes to read your reviews, but I get interesting information from many of them. Thanks for doing them. :D

Sal,
A huge THANK YOU! to you for your contribution. I have both the Chinook and the Chinook II and think very highly of them as all around users. Your offer to provide a Manix for Cliff's testing has just sealed the deal for me. I'll be saving for one of those too. One can never have enough overbuilt cutting tools to choose from for EDC. :D :D
 
Cliff,

Thanks for the destructive testing information. I just got a Chinook II a while ago and this tells me about how far I can go with the knife.

Thanks for the baton testing. Did the handle contact the material being cut? It seems that there would be only inertial forces on the lock if the handle were free floating. Any comments?
 
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