Spyderco CPM Magnacut Hardness

Danke42 said:
Nope, it's about people rushing to get the hot new super steel in the marketplace before they do their homework on the heat treat protocol.

There's always going to be a new super steel coming around the hill so you don't need to get the current best one as soon as you can. Give it 6-12 months and see how it shakes out.
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Spyderco is a pretty safe bet when trying out new steels. I bet most people would agree that Spyderco does a fantastic job with their heat treatments. If there is a steel that you're interested in trying out, I would argue Spyderco is your best bet to experience that steels intended characteristics.
 
weeping minora said:
Spyderco keeps their hardness ratings close-to-chest as to keep everyone out of their heads. Too many armchair quarterbacks that "know more" about a better hardness, than who actually use their knives to care about what the actual hardness really may be. They wish for the performance to be the biggest factor of any given steel and not its HRC number. Many numbers can mean many things, but the most important is how the steel got to that particular number, versus the number itself.

How is the Magnacut performing from Spyderco, for those who do have an example? Do you have another example of Magnacut to compare, and if so, how are they alike/dissimilar?
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I've only had this Native 5 for a couple weeks. Other than the Mule, I believe it's Spyderco's only offering in Magnacut right now. But so far, it's absolutely excellent. It came from the factory with a super sticky edge, and with the limited use I've put it through, it hasn't skipped a beat. Not even in the least. I have NOT done any "hard-use" tasks with it, and honestly don't really intend to. I've opened a handful of boxes and packages, and basic things like that, and the edge almost feels like it's gotten sharper since I've first used it lol. Next weekend I'm taking it camping and going to see how it fairs with basic campsite tasks. But I definitely recommend grabbing one if you can find it. I waited 3 months for the second batch to come out and grabbed it the day it became available at DLT Trading. I saw Blade HQ also got a restock. But since then they're sold out (plain edge is gone). They have fully serrated versions available though, if you're into that sort of thing.
 
I'm not sure I could tell the difference in ordinary use. My Manly Wasp in 12C27 @60/61 HRC is significantly harder than my SAK (55-ish?), but when it comes to powder steels It's difficult to determine small increments of hardness, at least for me.
 
Alberta Ed said:
I'm not sure I could tell the difference in ordinary use. My Manly Wasp in 12C27 @60/61 HRC is significantly harder than my SAK (55-ish?), but when it comes to powder steels It's difficult to determine small increments of hardness, at least for me.
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Lower the edge angle and see what happens
 
Spyderco runs it where they run it for their reasons. Believe me, the’ve tested it over several heat treatmen/hardnesses. Looking at lock wear, pivot wear, edge performance, toughness, etc. I believe that’s why it’s taken over a year to actually bring it to market. They want it to perform.
 
Spyderco must have done something right. The Magnacut Mule seems to fetch around $300. This is based largely on the test cut video by Cedric and Ada YouTube channel. The Native 5 would likely be done on the he slightly higher side since it's a short folder meant to cut and not so much impact. Just my assumption based on the mule team results and consistent popularity of the salt
 
omegaprime8 said:
Spyderco must have done something right. The Magnacut Mule seems to fetch around $300. This is based largely on the test cut video by Cedric and Ada YouTube channel. The Native 5 would likely be done on the he slightly higher side since it's a short folder meant to cut and not so much impact. Just my assumption based on the mule team results and consistent popularity of the salt
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Mules in popular steels always appreciate in price. That means nothing.

I bet Spyderco started out a bit soft and bumped it up or will bump it up after they experiment a bit.
 
DMG said:
Mules in popular steels always appreciate in price. That means nothing.

I bet Spyderco started out a bit soft and bumped it up or will bump it up after they experiment a bit.
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Probably should have read my whole post. I stated that the reason was a popular creators cut test. Perhaps I shouldn't have used a price but rather said it appreciated more than any other, even older, more rare mules.
 
DeadboxHero said:
Nope.
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Now let's talk about the HRC. Can we talk about the HRC, please? I've been dying to talk about the HRC with you all day, OK?
 
I don't know much about spydercos magnacut. I will say I'm absolutely impressed by protechs magnacut. I've got two of them, one being the malibu, and I've done some fairly atrocious things to this blade so far. It's still sharp as ever, too. And somehow hasn't rusted as far as I can tell. I'm also very happy with my crk magnacut. Now I have a question! I don't have a lot of experience with spyderco. I've got the drunken which is amazing. I've got the sprint run subvert which is fun to toy with but too heavy to carry. I've got another one which I have come to absolutely hate. And when I look at their other knives, they all look the same to me. What I'm wondering is if I'm missing something? I know a ton of people love spyderco and I'm trying to figure out why? I don't know if it's just because they all look the same or if it's because I'm overlooking something but I can't figure out what makes them so boring to me when it comes to most models. I won't talk bad about them because they're obviously doing something right since so many people enjoy them. Just looking for advice!
 
Isn't spyderco notorious for high hardness heat treats? I thought I remembered that from way back when. Maybe that was just empty scuttlebutt.
 
Fripfrop said:
I don't know much about spydercos magnacut. I will say I'm absolutely impressed by protechs magnacut. I've got two of them, one being the malibu, and I've done some fairly atrocious things to this blade so far. It's still sharp as ever, too. And somehow hasn't rusted as far as I can tell. I'm also very happy with my crk magnacut. Now I have a question! I don't have a lot of experience with spyderco. I've got the drunken which is amazing. I've got the sprint run subvert which is fun to toy with but too heavy to carry. I've got another one which I have come to absolutely hate. And when I look at their other knives, they all look the same to me. What I'm wondering is if I'm missing something? I know a ton of people love spyderco and I'm trying to figure out why? I don't know if it's just because they all look the same or if it's because I'm overlooking something but I can't figure out what makes them so boring to me when it comes to most models. I won't talk bad about them because they're obviously doing something right since so many people enjoy them. Just looking for advice!
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Well everything in the world of aesthetics is pure preference and completely subjective.

I like the look of very few Spyderco knives, the Drunken being one of those few. The appeal can vary. Some prefer the Spydie hole over thumb studs or flippers and that's what attracts them to the brand. Others love the look, that "sore thumb" design that really bothers me, but others seem to love. For others it's all about the aftermarket support for customization.

In the end there's no reason you need to love or get it. If it's not for you, then simply ignore and move on. I went thru this with CRK. I'm just not a fan, while so many others so clearly seem to be and i struggled to understand. To each their own is what's always at the end of every disagreement or difference of opinion.
 
"Does anyone know what hardness Spyderco is heat treating their Magnacut?"

Why do you ask? Are you having an issue with a knife?


 
It seems to perform well in this test of a Native 5 at 30 degrees inclusive, cutting 763 ft of cardboard in a 1.5 inch section.
 
R.Watkins said:
It seems to perform well in this test of a Native 5 at 32 degrees inclusive, cutting 763 ft in about a 1.5 inch section.
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Not everybody cuts boxes or rope all day. Just saying.

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Multiple Magnacut knives here, but no Spyderco yet, And no rush.
 
One metric I never see studied is how ,many knives per belt (or belts per knife) at say 61 vs 64 one can get. That metric might go a long way toward explaining makers choices.
Also magnacut has been pushed by the community to get >62HRC if the knife community had done this with m390, demanded a >62HRC , we would have been much happier campers.
 
I am interested to know, hopefully some folks will start getting numbers from the new salt knives. I think its partly about accountability and also about information so I can make informed purchasing decisions. For instance CRK states 63-64 is what you'll get. Kershaw and Hougue are saying 62-64. I would be happy buying any of those. But spydercos silence leaves you guessing. It could be 60. No idea. Not that that's "bad" but it's not what I'm looking for. It's all too easy for a manufacturer to post their target hrc numbers or the range of numbers they're using. I'm patiently waiting for info to come out. But if not I'm eyeing a Kershaw in magnacut.

And I'm not against spyderco either. I have 4 knives from them that are all tool steels around 65 hrc. But am hesitant to buy any others without an idea what number. For instance, I've heard the golden k390 is much softer than the seki city k390. That's why I can't blindly trust it'll be a perfect heat treat on the magnacut.
 
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