Spyderco Endura BG or KE ? collector or not. Help guys.

ashtxsniper

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I need the help of Sal or someone that collects spyderco. I just bought 4 Endura 4's in VG-10. 2 of them have just the spyderco emblem laser etched into the blade. The other two have what appears to be a serial number to the left of the emblem. The one I am looking at has this serial #, 061V, on the blade. The box for this knife has the normal C10PBK on the box but it is a Endura KE the others without numbers on the blade are Endura BG's. Did I get 2 Endura's that are collector editions or what. Which model is more valuable?( I want to edc the lesser value model). Thanks guys.
 
You got 2 collectors variants. Opinions vary but in my opinion they dont hold any realy value compared to unmarket editions.

Spyderco releases 200 collector marked knives per new knife or per new variant. These are for collector club members. Each member has his own number.

It is not a numbered series like 1 of 200.
 
Just to add a little more clutter, the "KE" and other 2-letter identifiers on your boxes indicate the manufacturing dates. From what I understand, using your "KE" as an example, the 'K' indicates the month, so a K would indicate November. The 'E' indicates the year, starting from 2000. So, in this example, an 'E' would indicate 2005. Keep in mind I only espouse what I learn here.:D
 
Am inclined to think the KE box is not the correct one for the 061V Collectors Club numbered knife. If memory serves me correctly, the Endura 4 was not yet in production then. If it is the right box for that knife, it should have the CC# printed directly below the date code on the label.

As for whether a CC# adds value, I'd say no in almost all cases. A "matched set" of all the variants of a given knife with identical numbers "might" be worth a premium, but aside from that no. Especially on the newer models where backlogs in the engraving department mean the CC# can no longer be taken as indicating the knife was one of the first 200 produced.

On the other hand, carrying a numbered knife does have the advantage of making the knife identifiable if lost or stolen. There may be a lot of Enduras in the world, but there's only one Endura 4 with that exact combination of features (handle material / color / steel / edge) and 061V engraved on the blade.
 
I am looking at the two boxes and both have the same bar-cod and are completely identical other than the bg or ke. Also the two serial numbered models have identical boxes other than someone wrote the serial number on the boxes.
 
The Deacon said:
As for whether a CC# adds value, I'd say no in almost all cases. A "matched set" of all the variants of a given knife with identical numbers "might" be worth a premium, but aside from that no. Especially on the newer models where backlogs in the engraving department mean the CC# can no longer be taken as indicating the knife was one of the first 200 produced.

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The above bolded quote has me scratching my head Deacon. Granted you are much better about the details than I and have been in the CC game longer, but I always thought the CC knives would be 200 of the first production run, not necessarily the first 200 out of the factory. It is difficult to imagine the extra expense and logistics of seperating the first 200 from the rest of the run...especially for knives made out of country, since all engraving is done in Colorado. :confused:
 
zenheretic said:
The above bolded quote has me scratching my head Deacon. Granted you are much better about the details than I and have been in the CC game longer, but I always thought the CC knives would be 200 of the first production run, not necessarily the first 200 out of the factory. It is difficult to imagine the extra expense and logistics of seperating the first 200 from the rest of the run...especially for knives made out of country, since all engraving is done in Colorado. :confused:
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Poor choice of words on my part ZH. A more precise statement would be that I feel you can no longer assume a "Golden made" Collector's Club numbered knife was among the first 200 of the line to pass QC, or that one made anywhere else was part of the first batch Spyderco received from the maker as part of the first production run. My main point with it was that, irrespective of eBay advertising hype, I believe fewer people than ever will consider CC#d knives to be worth a premium. Unless of course it becomes known that "Collector number nnn was either as famous as John Wayne, or had more bodies buried in his basement than John Wayne Gacy. :D

I'm not surprised that the barcodes on Spyderco knives don't include date info. Including it would go against normal accepted practice for barcodes, at least on non-perishable items. Main point really is that those codes, and the date codes, don't have any impact on the value of the knife. It would be kind of silly if they did, since there is no guarantee that the box you receive with a given knife is the one it was originally packed in, especially if the knife was purchased on the secondary market.
 
I dint expect to get numbered enduras. I only paid $36.00 for each one so it could have had a rat turd engraved on the blade for all I cared. Thanks for all the help guys.
 
ashtxsniper said:
I dint expect to get numbered enduras. I only paid $36.00 for each one so it could have had a rat turd engraved on the blade for all I cared. Thanks for all the help guys.
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Lol, we get enough questions about the CC#s. I can just imagine what would transpire with rat turd engraving.

I just got a knife but I have a question. Why do I have a rat turd engraved on the blade?

Oh you have the rat turd? Man that is realy collectable, congrats.



:D
 
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