Spyderco Factory Outlet Sale... Walk with me...

hhmoore said:
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I was unaware that this was a second when I purchased it (bass turd), and overpaid, accordingly.
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What exactly is it that makes this knife a second? All of these seconds look perfect to me from the pictures.
 
hhmoore said:
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I was unaware that this was a second when I purchased it (bass turd), and overpaid, accordingly.
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I would contact the seller. If it was not disclosed, I would not be happy, and thus the sale would not be complete. I would want a refund, and I would rather not have the knife than deal with someone of that low character.
I would also open a thread in G,B&U about it as well, if the seller was not cooperative. I would give them a fair chance though.
 
NJBillK said:
I would contact the seller. If it was not disclosed, I would not be happy, and thus the sale would not be complete. I would want a refund, and I would rather not have the knife than deal with someone of that low character.
I would also open a thread in G,B&U about it as well, if the seller was not cooperative. I would give them a fair chance though.
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I didn't learn that it was a second until 4-5 months after the purchase. I sent the seller a message, and never got a response. It was years ago - I learned from it, and moved on.
 
hermit dave said:
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How much effort did you put into that pointless post?
 
This thread is turning into a more informative one, especially for people like me who did not know how to tell factory seconds from normal ones. Much appreciate what folks have shared so far.

More questions:
- Does each factory second come with a box? If yes, how is the box different from the normal one?
- Does the manfacturer reveal the issue of every factory second/blem?
- Shall we create a list of those who sold factory seconds/blems without reveling the fact that they are blems (this may belongs to GBU)?
 
ScooterG said:
The notches in the blade. The others have them too.
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I'm confused. I see the notch. Isn't that how they show that its a second? I know that. What makes it a second? I doubt they grab perfectly fine blades and just grind a notch in there and say "Now she's a second!" lol Is it minor blade play? Is it scuff in g10? What is usually the issue? Or are you saying the notch was an accident and is sold cheaper because of that? If so, that is so minor I would never be upset if that was on a new Spyderco. If that notch knocks the price down, WOW. I'd buy "second" Spydercos forever
 
sharp_edge said:
This thread is turning into a more informative one, especially for people like me who did not know how to tell factory seconds from normal ones. Much appreciate what folks have shared so far.

More questions:
- Does each factory second come with a box? If yes, how is the box different from the normal one?
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Some do, some do not have boxes. Few will state that the knife within is a blemished model or factory second. I personally have never seen one, but then again, I do not seek seconds out.
(No reasoning, if I wanted a less expensive user, I would buy one without hesitation. Though my knife purchases tend to be fairly targeted.)

sharp_edge said:
- Does the manfacturer reveal the issue of every factory second/blem?
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Not very often. It is likely that their QC dept. has a container with them, and as the individual rounds the production line, they will take the ones set aside by the folks assembling the knivessel and give them further scrutiny. If it passes the check, it will go back into the line up and end up in a box. If not, it gets put aside for a seconds sale. They likely do not get the attention required to document each issue with each knife. Just a simple pass or fail.
(This is not definitive, just reasonable based upon my experience in manufacturing.)

sharp_edge said:
- Shall we create a list of those who sold factory seconds/blems without reveling the fact that they are blems (this may belongs to GBU)?
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Good idea, get right on it!
Lol

If you were to do this, it would be a good idea to keep an eye on the thread and if any bickering starts up, get on it quick and tell them to take it to PMs otherwise the thread will be locked in short order. Furthermore, you have to stress that the thread is only for documentation and reference purposes. Anyone's name can be removed from the thread at any time, if they unknowingly sold a blem as a "good" knife, and took corrective steps to right the wrong.

The person that bought the blem should have a screen shot of the sales thread showing that it is not listed as such. This will help curb abuse and wrongfully claiming someone is acting shady.
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Or, you can just shoot the seller of the knife a message stating that it is a blem and see if they correct their sales ad...
 
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ScooterG said:
The notches in the blade. The others have them too.
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Though this does not state Why it is a blem, just that it Is a blem.

The person you are responding to asked what makes it a second. Off center blade, grinds too far out of spec, lock issues, marks or dings on the scales, or just a small scratch on the liner... It all comes down to how finicky the QC person is and what they were told watch for.
 
CrazyCaucasian said:
I'm confused. I see the notch. Isn't that how they show that its a second? I know that. What makes it a second? I doubt they grab perfectly fine blades and just grind a notch in there and say "Now she's a second!" lol Is it minor blade play? Is it scuff in g10? What is usually the issue? Or are you saying the notch was an accident and is sold cheaper because of that? If so, that is so minor I would never be upset if that was on a new Spyderco. If that notch knocks the price down, WOW. I'd buy "second" Spydercos forever
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Didn't see your post, since I was replying to someone else. See my post above this one for the slight help that I can offer.
 
Then my wife says, hey, isn't Spyderco right around the corner.. and isn't this the weekend of the Factory Second sale?

OP = You have a good wife there sir. Also....nice score on the blades. :thumbsup:
 
Seconds are usually marked with an 2 or an S in an inconspicuous place. On fixed blades it's usually on the end of the handle or under the guard. folders it usually inside the frame. On Cold Steel's fixed blades with Kraton handles, there's a 2 burned into the rubber on the end of the handle.
 
Sorry guys, been out all day. I can put up pics next week when I get home and I and the knives (in transit) are reunited, but the pics posted by others show the marks I was referencing. And yeah, she's a keeper for sure. As far as the questions..

1. Do they have boxes? - No, seconds do not come with boxes. They are all in big trays that hold about 100 knives laid out on tables.. you just have to pick each on up, look for any major defects that caused them to get marked a second and move on to the next. Each knife just has a sticker on the blade with the price, that's it. They were selling discontinued knives also, those were new and did come with boxes (no marks).

2. Do they disclose the defects? - No. It's up to the buyer to inspect each knife you want and make sure it's of good quality. Many are either because of minor cosmetic issues (double stamp, non-uniform coating color, a scratch or chip). But there were some that were impossible to open, had really bad lock stick, bad edges and bad centering, etc.

I was worried they would have been out of Paras and Mils but there were many hundreds left.. glad I don't know what I missed out on by getting there 5 hours after the doors opened. To quote Ferris Bueller "It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up."
 
Yup, what hawk said. I have been the Spyderco seconds sales.

They do not come with boxes and they do not disclose the defect. The only thing that signifies that it a defect is the notch and I have observed that at the last couple of sales that the notches seemed to be getting smaller and harder to see.

I have been able to find the defect on all but a couple of my almost 40 factory seconds.
 
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bearfacedkiller said:
I have been able to find the defect on all but a couple of my almost 40 factory seconds.
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I think that would bother me... I would find myself picking the knife over with a fine toothed comb, asking what QC and the person on the assembly line saw that I did not...
 
They have areas set up for you to go through your basket and look for defects. Usually we sit around fondling them and helping each other find the defect. Sometimes the staff at the sale will have a look. Usually you can get quite a few pairs of eyes on it before you buy. I usually prefer to find the defect before I buy so there are no surprises later. That said, I have gone over my S110V Para2 over and over again for two years and cannot find the defect. I couldn't find the defect on my S110V Military at the sale and a couple months later I noticed the jimping was a little wonky. By that point it had already been used pretty hard cutting things like sheetrock and polywire electric fence string. The nice thing about the seconds is that you can use them without angst. It is isn't perfect to begin with so it doesn't hurt to knock the new off of it. They make great beaters.

I have bought quite a few with bad edge bevels and since I like to sharpen they have all been easy fixes for me. Once you reprofile and put a proper bevel on it there really is no defect anymore.
 
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