Spyderco Gunter

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Greetings all. The board members were kind enough to steer me in some good directions recently when I started to look for a new knife. Instead of getting one, I got several. Too good of a deal to pass up. One of them is a Spyderco Gunting with a half & half blade. This knife seems to fit my hand just perfectly. Having said that, can anybody give me any comment on the knife, good or bad? I am a LEO and plan to carry it at work. One of my only concerns, not being a knife guy (please, no booing or hissing...I'm learning), is the locking system. If I'm using this knife with my hand wrapped around the hilt, can I be fairly comfortable that it will remain open and not snap shut, severing my fingers (all of which I am very fond of, for a variety of reasons)? Any input (even if you tell me I picked a crappy knife) would be appreciated.
Gonzo
PS - I paid $85.00 for it, new in the box.
 
85$ for a new Gunting seems like a very good price to me.

Since I never heard about a Spyderco Gunter, I assume you're talking about a Gunting. It uses Spyderco's Compression Lock, which is generally regarded as a very secure one. You can test your knife by smashing the spine of the blade on a hard surface (put a towel on it in order to minimize the damage dealt to the blade and table or whatever you're striking to test the lock).

This is called the "spinewhack test".

Make sure to protect your fingers so they can't get into the way of the blade if it closes accidently while testing it!


For more information regarding the Gunting and its lock, try the search function of the forums.
 
Yep, "Gunting". Well, don't I feel like an idiot? At least I got the "Spyderco" part right. I will see if I can correct it in my original post. Thanks for the input.
Gonzo
 
Don't feel bad because you got the name wrong the first time.
IMO you've made an excellent choice on that knife and few newbies decide on such a quality piece right from the start.
 
Originally posted by Quiet Storm
Don't feel bad because you got the name wrong the first time.
IMO you've made an excellent choice on that knife and few newbies decide on such a quality piece right from the start.

Well, my Delica stayed with me almost 8 years, so I figured it would be hard to go wrong with another Spyderco. The Gunting just felt so natural in my hand it seemed like the right choice. There was a plain edge version to, and a guy picked it up right when I got mine.
Gonzo
 
The Gunting is a good knife and self defense tool. If you ever get the chance try to get a hold of the second set of videos (The Gunting: An Instructors View).

It gives good insight as to what the tool is capable of and why it was designed that way.

Check in over at the Spyderco on bladeforums and you'll hear from Bram (designer and martial arts instructor) himself.
 
I'm fairly new to the Gunting myself, but I am very impressed. I got the live blade about 2 weeks ago and today received my trainer and the intro video.

Get the video or the entire set if you can. I knew it was a good knife before with many capabilities, but the video really opened my eyes to the usability of the knife.

I also reccoment the trainer so you can really get good with it.
 
I thought Spyderco was making a new knife in Germany for a minute!

:D
 
I've gone back and done some searches here in the forum, and it seems a few folks have managed to slice and dice themselves with the Gunting. Several have mentioned using a sheath/holser for carry instead of the clip. To be honest, I got this knife with the intent of using the clip for pocket carry. Is that not a wise idea with this particular model? Once again, some patience with a newbie and any input is appreciated.
Gonzo
 
The holster is how most carry it. It's easier to access and it leaves your pockets free for other stuff.

You should really tighten that blade down if you're afraid that it might open on you. Bram tells people to make it tight enough that it's impossible to do an inertia opening with it.

There are those that carry it with the clip but I find it's a little uncomfortable because it rides so high. There is also an in-pocket sheath available from Frank at Skunkworks which might be a good idea if you really prefer to carry it that way.
 
Good price, very good knife.

I have had the compression lock fail when it got gummed up and didn't engage properly. Cleaning the knife fixed things. just wash it out if it gets gooey and check the locking mechanism every once in a while. If you use loc-tite to secure the tensioning check the locking mechanism after it dries too.
 
Ok, at the risk of sounding ignorant...what the heck, my wife says I do it all the time...If I have to carry this knife in a holster/sheath, what is the benefit of carrying it instead of a smaller fixed blade tactical knife? One of my nagging concerns (which I can't seem to get out of my head) is the idea that a folder might unlock and close on my fingers, severing them (or at least giving me a nasty boo boo). I am rather attached to all of my digits, and would prefer they stay attached to me.
Gonzo
 
The benefit of the Gunting is that you can use as for more than just a knife. Especially considering you're an LEO. If your department will allow you to use it as a less-than-lethal weapon, and you get the proper training, the Gunting is amazing. I have had it demonstrated on me, and it dropped me to my knees repeatedly (and this was with the trainer model with the non-sharp horn). If the primary purpose is a tactical blade, though, I don't think anything would beat the speed and reliability of a fixed blade.

I understand your concern for your fingers, but any folder can have reliability issues if lint or other material gets in the lock.

Johnny
 
Johnny,
Thanks for the reply. Given my "blade ignorance", what might be some small fixed-blade tacticals I might want to consider for LE work?
Gonzo
 
Benchmade Nimravus cub I think would fit the bill. Although as with a lot of knives the stock sheath isn't that great. I'd suggest an aftermarket sheath from Normark or Mike Sastre.
 
Yes, the Nimravus Cub is a good suggestion! If you have larger hands and don't mind carrying a slightly bulkier knife, take a look into the full-size Nimravus.

If you prefer something really small, the Emerson La Griffe is hard to beat.
 
Look, I bought a Gunting as an every day carry (EDC) utility knife for my arthritic hands. As you have noted, Gonzo, it is a most comfortable device to use. It worked out wonderfully well in the role and I was very happy with it and still would be escept that I work in a Federal government building and have to ride the Washington, DC, area Metro subway system and the Gunting is just a bit too noticeable in the post-911 world. I know that I am giving in to pressure on this, but we have to pick winnable fights and trying to take a 3" blade into a federal building is not a winnable fight under 18USC930 which specifies a 2.5" blade as legal. During the time that I carried it, the only problem that I ever had with the blade was when I had forgotten to check the pivot scrrew in my regular maintenance of the tool. As a question, do you expect to carry a tool or a weapon and not to have to spend a bit of time maintaining it? I haver always assumed that maintenance is a part of carrying or using any implement. In any case, the horn on the back of the blade caught on my hand as I reached into my pocket for some chcange and it sliced my pocket. It coould have sliced my hand or leg, but I was lucky. I am now very careful to check the tension on the pivot screws on any knife that I am using that has an adjustable pivot screw. The near accident was NOT the knife's fault, however, it was MY fault for not doing a very real piece of maintenance work, as the horn is designed to assist the opening of the blade, and that is what it did.

I carried the knife with its clip and never saw a need to carry it in any other manner, further, Bram has repeatedly indicated that a sheath, while nice and a great addition, is not a requirement if you attend to the tension on the pivot. The trouble starts when people try to "flick" a Gunting and leave the tension loose enough to do that. This is not a good idea as the horn makes it too easy for the blade to catch on your pocket or your hand and to start to open if the tension is insufficient, as it did to me.

I also need to point out that a lot of the "slicing and dicing" that you read about may well have been the result of people not paying attention to Bram's warnings and trying the kinetic openings with a live blade rather than a drone. A kinetic opening is one where you catch the horn on the other guy's arm as you slide the knife past his arm, pulling the blade open on the way. If you try this on anything larger than an arm, the blade will be open BEFORE it is clear of whatever you were opening it against, resulting in a very nasty slice. Many tried this on their own legs in the early days with the result that there were a number of visits to Emergency Rooms, but they were doing these openings against Bram's specific warnings. The kinetic opening was designed to work against an arm or something similarly narrow, where the blade has clearance, not against a large object like a leg or a torso. And it is risky to practice such openings with a live blade, just as it is risky to practice disarming techniques with a live blade or a loaded pistol, and that is why they made the drones, a rebated practice version of the knife.

In sum, I would recommend that you spend some time studying your purchase before giving up on it, I believe that you will find it worthwhile. And I also believe that contacting Bram about it would also be worthwhile rather than making a decision based upon posts to this thread.
 
FullerH, I just saw that they're going to start selling the CRMIPT to anyone. Would that work in your situation or would they still consider it to be a 3" blade rather than a 3" protrusion? I know it doesn't have an edge, but it would still be quite effective.

If anyone can offer a real legal opinion on this, I'd appreciate it. It could help us out on many grounds, having a real useful "tool" that's not a knife in the legal sense.
 
Bram Frank, the Gunting's designer, recently sent me a training tape and CRIMPET version of the Gunting. My opinion is that the Gunting is truly innovative and welcomed tactical knife concept across the board.

Now...

Just heard from Bram and apparently Spyderco is or has lost interest in the Gunting project. Bram had asked them to send me a live blade for further evaluation but that was some time ago and I've seen or heard nothing from Spyderco.

Was also contacted about the rest of Bram's Gunting training tapes being forwarded out but again, no follow-through from his distributor.

So, to answer your question -

The Gunting is a great tactical folder and less-lethal / training concept. You got a great deal on yours and should hang on to it. Get some of the training videos as they are most helpful as training programs / aids.

If Spyderco draws back on production of the knife, or drops it all together, you've got a collector's piece as well.

Again, a super edged tool and concept. No idea what's going on with Bram and Sal, but that's life in the world of cutlery.

GW
KU
 
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