Spyderco jot & Spyderco Gunting

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aj1985

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I was curious i just wanted to ask were the designers of both knives friends or collaborators at some point. The design looks so similar to each other. take care
 
If you search back a couple of years on this and on the spyderco.com forum you will find quite a few threads about this. Bram Frank says he came up with his design independent of Jot Sikh, but I and many others speculated the oposite as there are just too many simularities. The orriginal Bram Frank design, the Escalator, was even closer to the Jot design.
 
Colt6731 said:
If you search back a couple of years on this and on the spyderco.com forum you will find quite a few threads about this. Bram Frank says he came up with his design independent of Jot Sikh, but I and many others speculated the oposite as there are just too many simularities. The orriginal Bram Frank design, the Escalator, was even closer to the Jot design.
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so they are two seperate designs not influenced by each other was that the end result. Oh btw its jot singh;). take care bro

aj
 
Do a search and read the threads. Actually, most everybody not in the CSS gang beleived Bram Frank probably used the Jot design to base his early Escalator design made by REKAT. Take the Jot Singh design and make the butt end a little more pointy for punyo strikes and make the horn a little more thicker and grooved to effect "kinetic opening" and beef the whole knife up and you have an Escalator. Redesign the Escalator and you have the Gunting. BTW, there is a Sikh temple just down the road from me, so that must have been where I got that.
 
Colt6731 said:
Do a search and read the threads. Actually, most everybody not in the CSS gang beleived Bram Frank probably used the Jot design to base his early Escalator design made by REKAT. Take the Jot Singh design and make the butt end a little more pointy for punyo strikes and make the horn a little more thicker and grooved to effect "kinetic opening" and beef the whole knife up and you have an Escalator. Redesign the Escalator and you have the Gunting. BTW, there is a Sikh temple just down the road from me, so that must have been where I got that.
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no worries mate on the sikh thing, but could i ask wouldn't it be easier just to ask sal since he is always here.
p.s somethings wrong either with my computer or the website i can't search old threads.
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aj
 
James Keating and Bob Taylor (both experienced and skilled in MBC) had both used Jot's design to demonstrate kinetic opening. James used the model in his New York Riddle and Bob showed me how to use the model at the Eugene knife show.

Bob said that he was working on a model with Bram called the "Escalator" that was based on Jot's design. I later met Bram at Keating's Riddle of Steel and he was demonstrating the prototype of the "Escalator".

sal
 
Sal,

I remember that Riddle - wasn't that when I first met you? If memory serves me correct, James Keating was the first to coin the term "kinetic opening" in a Tactical Knives article he did on the Jot. Good article!
 
wow, i always thought bram came up with all that stuff, learn something new every day huh?

i have always thought the khalsa and gunting had a similar profile.
 
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