Spyderco karambit full of surprises

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My new Spyderco karambit arrived today. It's my first karambit and it's not at all what I expected. Before I even opened the box I knew I was in for a surprise. The box was quite heavy. For a moment I thought there might be two or even three karambits inside. I had thought the Spyderco karambit was going to be a smallish knife, perhaps because the blade is just a shade over two inches long. Well, it ain't so small. This is a large heavy (but thin) handle. I thought the blade might be a bit too small, not intimidating enough or capable of inflicting serious slashing wounds. I was wrong on both counts. The blade is plenty big enough to do serious damage and it's the sharpest blade of any knife I own out of the box. The Spyderco karambit is also the most sculpturesque knife I own. It's beautifully designed. I predict the Museum of Modern Art in New York will snag one for it's permanent design collection. Even if you don't plan to use the thing, it's as much an objet d'art as it is a knife, and its all-stainless-steel construction perfectly complements its high-tech looks. On the down side, the sculpted depression in the handle that guides the thumb to the liner lock is pretty but useless; there isn't enough of the liner lock exposed to simply press the lock with your thumb to release the blade. Perhaps the stiffness of the lock will loosen up over time but I doubt it. Also, you can't open the blade part of the way and then open it all the way with a flick of the wrist, as you can with other Spydies (including the Dodo). You have to open the blade all the way with your thumb in the thumb hole, although at the end of the maneuver there's a loud, satisfying click (but so loud you couldn't sneak up on someone while opening the knife in the process and not give yourself away, although the knife wasn't designed for that purpose). Also, if you have small hands, this surprisingly large knife may feel a bit unwieldy. Try before you buy. It may only have a two-inch blade but this is one good-size weapon. Another surprise: I wanted a karambit because I thought it would be easier to use than a balisong. Those butterfly knives take a good deal of practice to get the hang of. Well, so, I now know, does a karambit. I saw Ernest Emerson's 10-second video clips of basic karambit maneuvers and thought, like an idiot, "Oh, that doesn't look too hard." Well, switching grips and spinning this big knife with your index finger through the very ample finger hole in the handle is just as difficult in its own way as mastering a balisong. A klutz like me will probably never get the hang of it. After the knife arrived, I downloaded two 10-second Emerson video clips and used Windows Media Player to stop each of them at fraction-of-a-second intervals to try to figure out how the guy in the video was working the karambit. Damned if I could figure it out. He was so fast most his movements were a blur, and even those I could see I wasn't able to duplicate. If you want to use this knife with a forward and a reverse grip using only one hand, you have a heck of a lot of practice ahead of you. I tried spinning the Spyderco karambit with my forefinger in the finger hole and the knife closed. I could see how, if the knife were open, I could easily peel the flesh off my hand like the skin off an orange. It's not for the faint-hearted. So for me, and probably for most people, this is a one-grip, forward-grip knife. Also, because the handle is beautiful, smooth stainless steel, it isn't as grippy as knives with textured G-10 or micarta scales. Well, the finger hole is supposed to give you that good grip, but the hole is so large you really need a large hand with a thick index finger to fill it. Otherwise your finger fits loosely in the hole, and with the rest of the handle being quite large, it's hard to get a really secure grip. Once upon a time, I thought I'd use the karambit with my index finger in the hole and the entire knife--blade and handle--extending out beyond my knuckles. No way, Jose. I can't make a fist tight enough to keep the knife from wobbling. I could see an assailant grabbing the knife and yanking out of my hand--there's that much play when the knife extends out from your hand. However, with a forward or reverse grip with your pinky through the finger hole in the handle and your fingers gripping the handle, the grip is secure. But the handle isn't as comfortable to clutch as other Spydies. I own a Peter Herbst, J.D. Smith, Civilian, Eduard Bradichansky Shabaria, Dodo, and a Spydie credit card knife. All are comfortable to hold except the credit card knife. The karambit approaches that in discomfort. But, when all is said and done, the Spyderco Karambit is a gorgeous, thin, weighty, large, wicked, though for most of us probably one-grip knife. And it has one indisputable virtue: because the cutting edge of the blade is only 1.9 inches long, it's street-legal in all 50 states.
 
Cool looks but I'm not sure what to make of it. I mean I get the SD point of the Karambit but it is clumsy to handle or maybe I am just clumsy with my first Karambit. The lock is difficult to access two-handed and impossible to release one-handed but does seem secure (it better be secure with my fingers so close to the blade). Also, the slippery steel grip seems less than ideal for real world SD. The clip position is strange too but I don't know where else it would go. In my pocket it screams "I AM A BIG KNIFE." She'll be disappointed to find you're only carrying 1.9 inches of business. :o I'd guess the knife was designed more for holster carry than pocket. Anyone know of a good sheath for this knife?
Hotwriter, do you have a link to the Emerson video clip?
 
Hi Spyderknut.

The link below will take you to Ernest Emerson's website, where he has posted nine short video clips illustrating the forward opening, reverse opening, hand drills, and five techniques for using a karambit (naturally his version of the karambit). The main difference between the Emerson karambit and the Spyderco model is that the former has the wave-opening feature, a spur on the top rear of the blade that, when the blade is clipped inside your pocket, snags on your pants (and often rips them) as you withdraw the knife, automatically opening it. It's really cool to see what can be done with a karambit by a master, such as the guy in the videos. But if you can figure out how he performs his wizardry and duplicate it yourself, you're a better man (or knifer) than I am.

http://www.emersonknives.com/karambitvideodemos.htm

As for a sheath for the Spydie karambit, check out this link on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...335&item=2262164930&tc=photo#ebayphotohosting

This fellow charges $45 for what looks like a high-quality, handsome leather sheath custom-made for a Spyderco karambit and also takes special orders, and his customer feedback is 100% positive.

Another alternative is to visit Busse Combat's website:

http://www.bussecombat.com/sheaths/

Busse doesn't offer off-the-rack sheaths for his knives. Instead, he features profiles of seven top custom knife-sheath makers, photos of their sheaths, and contact information. Any of these gentlemen will be happy to craft a custom sheath for pretty much any knife out of pretty much any material, but you'll have to send your knife to them to ensure the fit is perfect.

Best, Hotwriter
 
I'm not at all impressed with the Spydie Krambit , It's hard to believe that the same outfit who produced the Dodo and Paramilitary came up with a piece of Caca like that ! I'd moch prefer the Emerson .
 
Dear James:

Since I started this thread, and I had some complaints about the Spyderco karambit, let me not retract what I said but put it into perspective. First, I don't think there's a perfect knife for everyone. But for me, the Spyderco karambit's handle is uncomfortable to hold. The reason is that this is an unusually thin knife--a little over a quarter-inch thick. Its thinness makes it more convenient to carry but also more uncomfortable to grasp. If the handle were thicker, and you carried the knife less often due to its greater bulk, you might not have it on you when you need it.

The handle is also hard to grip because it's made of smooth stainless steel. However, the material is integral to the beauty of the design. If the handle were made of grippier G-10 or micarta scales, it wouldn't look nearly as cool as it does. I think Spyderco figured that since the whole point of a finger hole in the handle of a karambit is to secure the grip, having the rest of the handle be grippy was less important than it is in other knives. There's a case to be made for this.

However, I find the finger hole in the handle too large by nearly half. (I have small hands.) So even with my pinky inserted in the finger hole and my other fingers clutching the handle, it still can't be gripped as securely as other Spydies with handles made of more traditional materials. On the other hand, if the hole was sized to suit someone like me, none of the six-feet-two-plus brutes out there would be able to get their thick pinkies or index fingers in it. So bigger is, if not necessarily better, at least more democratic.

The surprising size and weight of the knife also make it relatively hard to hold, at least for me. However, until I actually received the knife, I was concerned that it would be too small, light, and flimsy to be a serious weapon, because my preconceived idea of a knife with a two-inch blade was that it was going to be small, light, and flimsy. The Spyderco karambit is none of these. I guess this is a case of being careful what you wish for.

Ernest Emerson, whose knives I also love, also makes a great karmabit (well, now there are three versions of it). But even these involve tradoffs. Take his famous wave-opening feature: a metal spur at the top rear of the blade that snags onto your pants pocket when you withdraw the knife and automatically opens the blade. It's a nifty idea, but a high percentage of times, it rips your pants, which limits your ability or willingness to practice withdrawing the knife.

And the blade of the Emerson karambit, which is about 2.6 inches long, is a half-inch longer than is legal to carry in many if not most states. "Illegal" doesn't mean that if a cop finds the knife on you he confiscates it. It means you may well go to jail. You don't actually have to use the knife, mind you. You could be stopped for a broken tail light, one thing could lead to another, you could be searched, and suddenly you're in a peck of trouble. Try telling a DA, judge, or jury that you carry a karambit as a glorified box cutter. So if you're headed for Iraq, no problem. If you're headed for the local pub to grab a beer, it could be a serious problem.

A great virtue of the Spydie, despite the large size of the knife, is that the blade, with a 1.9-inch cutting edge, is street-legal most everywhere. And it still looks scary as all get-out.

Price is a factor, too. The Emerson karambits list for about $240 and can be purchased, if you shop around, for about $160. You can snag the Spydie for $100 or less.

There's also the matter of aesthetics. No doubt about it, Ernest Emerson makes some sweet-looking knives. But the Spydie stands on its own as an aesthetic masterpiece compared with other knives or any other beautifully designed object, be it a Waterman pen, a Porsche, a piece of Tumi luggage, or Baccarat crystal. Obviously aesthetics are important to many knifers or there wouldn't be a custom-knife market.

The Spyerdco karambit looks like a $400 custom knife at 25 percent of the price. For many people, that alone is a rationale for buying one.

And let's not forget one thing: for all my carping earlier, the Spydie karambit is a delightful, excellent, well-thought-out knife with some logical compromises that don't work as well as I thought they would for me but will probably work just fine for others. I'm not sure my complaints have as much to do with the Spyderco karambit per se as they do with the fact that a karambit is an untraditional knife with an untraditional feel and untraditional maneuverability. Heck, that's what seduced me into wanting one in the first place: the sex appeal of something new and different. But I think many people will find the karambit's unusual design takes a bit of getting used to. That's not the manufacturer's fault. That's just this style of knife.

Respectfully,

Hotwriter
 
hotwriter said:
....Ernest Emerson, whose knives I also love, also makes a great karmabit Take his famous wave-opening feature: a metal spur at the top rear of the blade that snags onto your pants pocket when you withdraw the knife and automatically opens the blade. It's a nifty idea, but a high percentage of times, it rips your pants, which limits your ability or willingness to practice withdrawing the knife....

I have three emerson knives (a karambit, a commander and a mini CQC-7) with the wave feature, and carry one of them every day. I practice drawing them constantly and am frequently asked by friends to show how I can open my knife so fast... I have yet to tear a single pair of pants in the three years I have carried a waved emerson. Before you conclude I must wear thick pants or jeams all the time, I will tell you I wear suits several time a week and my knife is always clipped to my pants pocket regardless of what pants I am wearing.
I think you should look at how you are drawing the knife and possibly re-evaluate your method. I have several friends wo have bought emersons specificly for the wave feature and I have never had anyone of them tell me it tore their pants... Maybe we are just lucky, but I doubt it... if there is a way to break or destroy something, cops and firefighters will find a way to do it...
 
hotwriter said:
Hi Spyderknut.

The link below will take you to Ernest Emerson's website, where he has posted nine short video clips... ... It's really cool to see what can be done with a karambit by a master, such as the guy in the videos.

http://www.emersonknives.com/karambitvideodemos.htm



the "guy" in the videos is Ernest Emerson himself... to see him do it in person is even more scary, because you don't believe the knife can really move that fast with so little effort...
 
its possible to open most blades without the click of the liner lock by opening it half way, and then depressing the liner lock with your thumb, and opening the blade the rest of the way with your index finger, slowly engaging the liner lock so it doesnt make any major noises.

its not a really easy of fast opening, but if your "sneaking up on a guy" i assume you have about a second and a half to open it.
 
Hi Seth,

You make a good point about how to open a "clicky" linerlock without the click. However, in the process, you've highlighted the Spyderco karambit's one out-and-out flaw: only a tiny sliver of the stiff liner is exposed to press and unlock the blade. You really must dig your thumb into the metal to get a purchase, and even then it's a tenuous, slippery purchase. Even holding the knife with one hand and trying to open the linerlock with the other hand is no easy feat. And I have small hands, which, theoretically, should make it easier to open a lock with so little of the liner exposed. I could see a man with larger hands having an even tougher time with it than I'm having, and I couldn't see a woman doing it at all without breaking a nail. I believe that opening a knife designed for self-defense shouldn't be such a chore. Some knife blades are stiffer than others, even of the same model. But a linerlock is a linerlock. If it's too stiff to open easily, that's a design flaw in my book.

Hotwriter
 
One of the things I really liked about the karambit was the short opening arc. I found with only a little practice (I only had mine for about 8 days before trading it) I could draw and open it very quickly. I didn't like how much of the knife protruded from my pocket but I found this an advantage when carry the knife IWB on the right hip. The flat profile was comfortable and the high ride clip made the ring very accessible. I think this would be even better with a holster. My only real problem with the Karambit was how large the handle and ring were. I have small hands and it just didn't feel right. I did practice some manipulations, spins and grip changes and found them to be dooable but with a very high learning curve. I stuck the tip of mine into my wrist during a spin. That tip is really sharp and pounched thru my sweatshirt into my anterior wrist. I was worried I might start spurting;-)>

I think if I can find one that fits my hand better with a bit of practice it could be very fast and nimble.

Any chance Spyderco might build a fixed blade version?
 
Guys,
Get your Spydie Kar. beadblasted & grip is no problem. Vess, sheaths are fantastic & he is a great guy to deal with,I have a # of his sheaths & they are ALL first class. I am going to mail & ask him to make me a LH & RH for the Kar.
Be safe,
Jim
 
lol :) I had a pretty similar experience when I got my Karambit, but mine was even more surprising. I took it out of the box, played with it, saw how terrifyingly sharp the tip was, and then went to see what steel type it was and *gasp* there it nothing on the blade. I looked at the pictures online and it said "Spyderco, VG-10" on all of them. At this point I'm thinking hey, cool, I got an unmarked one! But then I start to close it and see letters "Sp" sticking out from just under the handle. So it is marked, just way deeper, and it made it so much more special, and more surprising... :)

karambit.jpg


And a big thank you to those who mentioned my leather sheaths.
Warning: Shameless self-promotion ahead! Karambit sheaths pic #1 and pic#2
I made quite a few karambit sheaths, vertical, canted, cross-draw, you name it. With this knife there are so many options and orientations I still have new things to try out when I get some free time... :D

Just don't twirl this knife on your finger, because even thick leather gloves won't help you. I tried... :D
 
Dear Edgetrip:

I'd say the chances of Spyderco coming out with a fixed-blade karambit are excellent. The knife business is a me-too industry. When someone comes out with a successful design, others produce their version of it. Emerson started with a folding karambit. This year, he came out with two fixed-blade models. Jay Tarini has both a fixed-blade and a folding karambit. Strider has a fixed-blade karambit. In an analogous development, Spyderco first came out with the fixed-blade Ronin, which proved to be popular, so now they've introduced the Yojimbo, a folding Ronin, which also seems pretty popular. My guess is that once a manufacturer comes out with either a fixed-blade or a folding karambit, unless the model proves to be a dog, the other version of the knife isn't far behind. Right now, the karambit style is hot. That bodes well for more karambits--from Spyderco and from other manufacturers.

Hotwriter
 
Dear Vess,

Thanks for the photos of the Spyderco karambit. They're terrific. They show off what may be the Spydie's best feature: its cool, modern, high-tech, sculpturesque beauty. This is one good-looking knife. Your sheaths for the karambit look gorgeous, too. And eminently practical. Now that you've shamelessly promoted your sheaths and gotten all of us Spydie karambit owners salivating, you may as well go all the way and tell us a) what the sheaths cost, and b) your website address, if you have one.

Hotwriter
 
Yeees, a fixed blade karambit would be cool. Can be all-metal or have handle scales, either way I'd get one for sure... :)

As for the sheaths, PM me and we'll talk... ;)
 
Vess said:
Yeees, a fixed blade karambit would be cool. Can be all-metal or have handle scales, either way I'd get one for sure... :)

As for the sheaths, PM me and we'll talk... ;)


All I can say is that the sheath Vess made for my Civilian is Fantastic. Top notch and the delivery time was more than reasonable. If you want a spyderco sheath, Vess is the MAN :)
 
Nice pictures Vess. The difficult to access framelock is woll demonstrated in your photos. With a lock like this, Spyderco may as well have made it a fixed blade.
I too have small hands. The size of the handle doesn't bother me much. This is a knife however that demands practice and lots of it. It should come standard with a drone. You spinning guys are braver than me. You may also end up anemic :eek: .
Formidable but not ergonomic. Maybe this is one that will need to grow on me.
 
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