Spyderco Manix for EDC carry in the woods?

[Ebbtide]

Hello! Is everyone listening?

A nod is as good as a wink (or a big knife) to a dead horse...
:yawn:


Don't worry about asking questions Daniel.
Just beware of people with only one answer

 

[skammer]

In most woody or leafy enviroments, but really far north it stops being of benefit as there is nothing to cut aside from snow so you would be better with a small shovel, and on the open water it may not be of a lot of use, some deserts may have similar issues depending on vegetation, I'd take a small shovel for sand shelters based on working on local sandy beaches.

There are also huge differences in long blades, an ABS bowie is very different from a machete which is different from the wide bladed goloks and jungle knives which don't handle similar to long upswept parangs. I think it would be of benefit to try out each of them on their respective vegetation niches before judging the merits of long blades in general. Using a Trailmaster for example is a poor basis for judging a dual convex tapered parang with several feet of blade.

-Cliff

Exactly,

Each environment is situational. Going to the jungle I have and would use a longer machette type blade and couple that with a shorter stout blade both of good quality of course.

Above the tree line everything changes and a shovel could very well be argued as the best tool for the job. When I recommend a larger 7-9 inch blade its for the termperate zone (which most of us live in) only as every environment is different.

Right tool for the job not just what gets you by minimally.

Again I am talking about bush travel not EDC which is entirely different.

The only thing that doesnt change is the quality of your bladeware which should be stellar in order to rely on it.

The right blade is not to replace skill or knowledge but rather to enhance your efficiency thus hedging your bets toward surviving any given situation.

Skam

 

[Cliff Stamp]

The right blade is not to replace skill or knowledge but rather to enhance your efficiency thus hedging your bets toward surviving any given situation.

Yes, same as pretty much all other gear essentially. The more you have and the better it is, the easier it is to do what needs to be done, assuming you know how to use it, and the more tolerant it is to less than ideal handling. I think for most gear you can argue that the latter aspect is generally of benefit when it can be obtained.

Awhile back a ceramic abrasive was tested on the Busse Combat forum as a field sharpener which was basically metal coated and unlike regular ceramic stones you could drop it, walk on it, even bend it. I would rate it fairly high as a "survival" sharpener compared to for example a small waterstone which needs water to work (consider cold) and will shatter if dropped.

Worked well as a sharpener too of course. I still have mine, carry it always.

-Cliff

 

[gutsy]

i believe i got in the same trouble for asking about" batoning a folder". im glad you got your question answered and dont let any chest thumpin run you off. were all human and can have a tendancy to say things. i believe most folks on here are pretty descent people .....even though they argue till the thread gets locked . hello cliff , hello ebbtide, hope all is well .

 

[gutsy]

btw i just got my becker necker in the other day and i think it kinda bridges the gap between fixed blade and folder . its small and with no moving parts and its easy to carry around . cliff , have you ever used the necker ? i think except for the factory edge its extremely practical.

 

[V_Shrake]

Thomas Linton, does Cliff pay you to come to his defense, or do you do it out of the kindness of your heart? I understand that Cliffy is your hero, but it IS rather unseemly to be so adoring in a public setting. People might talk, or get the wrong (or perhaps the right) impression.

Granted, i do have a great amount of animosity towards Cliff. The same as I would any other snakeoil salesman. cliff knows nothing of survival, and his only real claim to fame is destroying knives in the pusuit of "testing" them. It's alomst worthless trying to pass on any real knowledge on this forum, mainly due to 3 people: yourself, Skammer (aptly named) and Cliffy. If Cliff would ever actualy post something of real use, I'd be the first to applaud. But his usual MO is to post such a long-winded, obtuse reply, misquoting wantonly along the way, that any spark of knowledge is left to die along the way. No one else can manage to get in a word, as Cliff is there, perched over his keyboard like a cyber vulture, waiting for more carrion to present itself. If he would take the time to actualy listen to other folk, and perhaps learn from them instead of acting like he's the high lord arbiter of survival, this forum would be a MUCH better place. As for you, please stop the kee jerk reactionary attempts to protect Cliff's "honor"; he should be capable of that himself. After all, he's a master of survival, professor of physics (except for that pesky little diploma) and grandmaster of +++, ---. And, of course, the only man I know who can tell just how much force he's applying to a cut or chop by hand, without any form of measuring device except his vast experience.

 

[Ebbtide]

i believe i got in the same trouble for asking about" batoning a folder". im glad you got your question answered and dont let any chest thumpin run you off. were all human and can have a tendancy to say things. i believe most folks on here are pretty descent people .....even though they argue till the thread gets locked . hello cliff , hello ebbtide, hope all is well .

Hey gutsy!
Welcome to the dead horse party.
Smells don't it?
I'm not sure if I'm one of the decent people or one of the ones that argues till the thread gets locked or lumped in with cliff.
Well, in my world the glass is always half full.....
So...
Hi!




So tell me about this Manix knife
Can you sharpen a pencil with it?
Can you make thin slice of tomato with it too?

 

[skammer]

People might talk, or get the wrong (or perhaps the right) impression.

.

And you are who again?

And I care why 7 post boy? LMAO

Troll. :yawn:

Skam

 

[Jim Craig]

Uh Skammer, you are still pretty new around here, so you probably don't know V, since he took a hiatus for a while. He has been around here for a long, long time. Very knowledgable, and respected. He is certainly no troll.

 

[skammer]

Uh Skammer, you are still pretty new around here, so you probably don't know V, since he took a hiatus for a while. He has been around here for a long, long time. Very knowledgable, and respected. He is certainly no troll.

Could of fooled me Jim his recent post history is less than usefull save one.

How about some usefull info from him instead of off the cuff trolling comments.

If he knows something lets hear it.

At least if I disagree I say so and stick to the topic and dont let it get personal while flamming away. We are all entitled to an opinion here without "personal" attacks. The only thing worse than a complainer is one with no opinion.

Because you say so I will give him the benefit of the doubt:thumbup: .

Skam

 

[Ebbtide]

If he knows something lets hear it.

Look in the archives, the name is the same.

At least if I disagree I say so and stick to the topic and dont let it get personal while flamming away.

See post 48.

And I care why 7 post boy? LMAO

There's alot of folks here that think you're the new guy.
Post count has no relation to knowledge or validity.
A person could make...I don't know...637 posts...and not say much more than one thing.
:shrug:

Because you say so I will give him the benefit of the doubt .

How gracious of you.
"The blessing of the big knife has been bestowed upon V by the testimony of Craig."

I guess when you have all the answers and all the best tools that money can buy, that's all that's left.

 

[skammer]

See post 48.

There's alot of folks here that think you're the new guy.
Post count has no relation to knowledge or validity.
A person could make...I don't know...637 posts...and not say much more than one thing.
:shrug:

And your point is seriously?

All I see is you making a conscious effort to go out of your way to defame.

I do contribute thanks. Seems you have an unhealthy preoccupation going here.

Skam

 

[Cliff Stamp]

...who can tell just how much force he's applying to a cut or chop by hand, without any form of measuring device ...

The force applied is measured using various scales, I started this years ago after discussing the issue with Wilson. The impact energies are referenced againt standard weights dropped from specific heights. All of this is noted in the reviews.

have you ever used the necker ?

No, I have used neck knives, in general they tend to trade a lot of ergonomics for ease of carry, they work well for short periods but long term there are usually issues either with issues due to thinness of grip or length. In many places there are also issues with concealment. Chas Clements makes concealment sheaths, inside the forearm which would allow carry of larger knives without the presentation of waist belt attachment.

-Cliff

 

[Thomas Linton]

Dear V. Shrake et cie:

I have noticed that there are people here who, because of an ancient argument with Cliff, attack everything he posts. They do this even when what he posts, if posted by almost anyone else (Note "almost") would draw only agreementl -- in fact, even when they have repeatedly posted to the same effect. It is enough for these folks that it's Cliff. He appears. The personal attacks start. (I suggest that he post his favorite cookie recipe and see how long it takes for denunciation of the recipe as mindless advocacy of "Big Bowl" recipes.)

This thread is a perfect example.

In order to carry out this vendetta, it is necessary to distort what he says in order to keep his notional position consistent with the position you imagine and claim that he holds. (Hell, maybe he even held it once, but I doubt it.)

This thread is a perfect example. He has not posted that a "big" knife is always the answer OR that a Manix is useless. He has posted to the contrary.

And although I have found you to otherwise be a reasonable and very knowledgeable member here, YOU are a perfect example.

I am supposed to be impressed by what you imagine are clever and cutting comments? Sir, I have been insulted by real experts. You need lessons from my late mother-in-law.

Thomas Linton, does Cliff pay you to come to his defense,

No. I checked my bank account. Cliff's usual monthy payment has not been made. McD's for me AGAIN this month.

or do you do it out of the kindness of your heart?

No. I do it out of a clearly quixotic desire to have this forum be a place of learning through mutual respect and sharing.

I understand that Cliffy is your hero

Cliff is not my hero. If I had a hero here, it was Uncle Bill, and he's dead. In fact, heroes being collected in youth, all my heroes are dead.

but it IS rather unseemly to be so adoring in a public setting. People might talk, or get the wrong (or perhaps the right) impression.

Again, you need to work on being insulting. You are merely being rude.

Granted, i do have a great amount of animosity towards Cliff.

From the Department of Redundancy Dept.

cliff knows nothing of survival

That is the classic comment of those very persons whom you say you dislike: "You don't know anything about ___________."

Few know as much as they think they do. Cliff has made comments that I find useful, some I do not understand, and others with which I disagree. That would make him run-of-the-mill human. I submit that you are incapable of recognizing any such shades of difference since his mere appearance makes you angry, and you largely ignore what he actually posts.

Interestingly enough, Cliff has never used that form of dismissal. He merely disagrees - and disagrees - and disagrees.

I'd be the first to applaud

I don't know you except from your BF personna, but I doubt that this is accurate. Cliff has said things in this thread that have been said many times in substance by many acknowledged experts. You find nothing but "snake oil."

No one else can manage to get in a word, as Cliff is there

He posts a lot. Absolutely true! Others have absolutely no problem contributing - and disagreeing - and attacking.

As for you, please stop the kee jerk reactionary attempts to protect Cliff's "honor"; he should be capable of that himself.

I have no desire to protect anyone's "honor" here, and my "kee" has little jerk left to give. I would like the OT personal attacks to stop, but this is not my forum.


Consider, VS, this thread will be read by some in your "school" of thought. It will be read by many others who have no ability to understand why you are so angry or what in the world is wrong with what Cliff has posted in this thread.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

...maybe he even held it once

Hard to say as it isn't really clear what is being argued, my perspective on knives change constantly depending on what I use. What is an acceptable standard has to change when people are constantly raising the performance of their product.

...some I do not understand, and others with which I disagree.

If you agree with another person completely it is usually a sign of worship. However if you don't understand then it would be appreciated if you pointed it out it likely needs to be clearified. If you disagree then point that out if you have the time as well as discourse benefits from meaningful opposition.

-Cliff

 

[DirkDiggler]

Bravo V_Shrake! :thumbup:

Alot of you will not care what I have to say bacause my post count is low and I have only been registered for about one year but you are going to hear it any way.

I have been lurking here on and off for 5 or 6 years. V_Shrake and a bunch of other outdoorsmen with real knowlege use to frequent this forum. Most of them have given up because of the know it alls who talk down to every one here. Ebbtide and Jim Craig and Brian Jones and a few of the other old timers still try to make a go of it but there are 2 or 3 guys constantly trying to prove there smarter then every one else who make me want to leave for good. The first one to tell me to go on and leave or says that I am a jerk for speaking my mind will probably be one of the people I am talking about. :jerkit:

It is my opinion that Brian Jones's vote of suport for V_Shrake a few weeks ago should tell us something. It seems to me that the people who are bashing V_Shrake are the people Brian was telling to put a sock in it. I do not mean to speak for Brian and if my opinion is wrong I will appologize to him because I found out many years ago that Brian is one of the good guys.

Sorry for the rant but I can not stand to listen to people try to act like there smarter or better then the rest of us. I want to come here to learn and shoot the bull with woodsmen, not watch 2 or 3 people preach from the top of there ivory towers.

DD

 

[skammer]

Bravo V_Shrake! :thumbup:

Sorry for the rant but I can not stand to listen to people try to act like there smarter or better then the rest of us. I want to come here to learn and shoot the bull with woodsmen, not watch 2 or 3 people preach from the top of there ivory towers.

DD

Like you WE ALL have the right to an opinion.

What shouldnt be tollerated is personal attacks that ruins threads. Disagree its fine with me but leave the daggers at home.

Some people just dont like being disagreed with and for whatever reason lash out with personal defamation. State an opinion and defend or prove it with gusto when questioned but leave the personal equation out of it.

The heights of immaturity.

Skam

 

[Thomas Linton]

Can you sharpen a pencil with it?
Can you make thin slice of tomato with it too?

Last weekend (too warm - mud everywhere) I used mine to: cut rope (3/16" Manila - maybe x20); prepare firewood; make a dingle stick; and disassemble carrots, potatos, onions, and chuck (stew). I stropped it on some cardboard out of habit, but it probably didn't need it. It did need a good washout when I got home. I should have used my Bark River "Wolf River"for the food prep since it's thinner, longer, and easier to clean in the field, but the Manix was in my pocket and the Wolf River was 75 muddy yards away.

 

[Brian Jones]

Tsk Tsk,

The word "manix" in this thread is quite appropriate eh? It's been manic here lately quite a bit.

I don't think I need to explain why this is closed. The forum administrators and supermods may decide to deal with certain filks via banning.

Skam, you've finally been more clear on your position here. Thank you. But you still keep acting like an a**hole, so if you can't control yourself, you'll be banned.

V, I love ya man, you know it, but your coming in and stirring up things is just making more work for me. Please chill. But dammit, we need your knowledge here, so give these folks some much needed survival instruction, so teach!!! You have so much knowledge to offer. Everyone either loves Cliff or hates him, and no amount of debate will change anyone's minds, so everyone, either read his posts or put him on your ignore list.

Thomas Linton, you are in fact a voice of reason and have always been critical of behavior on this forum when warranted, whether it comes from folks you like or not. You are an equal-opportunity kinda guy, and don't take sides. I think you have great integrity, and thanks for looking out for the place. I might not always agree with your defense of certain folks, but don't get sucked in to this stuff. I have let myself get pissed too often, and behaved badly as well.

Obviously, this is getting tiring for all of us who just like the subject matter. Lately though, it's been LORD OF THE FRIGGIN' FLIES here. Just so you all know, it's not. Ron Hood and I reign supreme in this subforum, and if anyone pisses me off, I'll boot your a$$ from Bladeforums so fast it'll make yer head spin.

Next one who pisses me off will be banned immediately. Period. No more discussion.