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Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Ganzofan, Sep 5, 2020.
Still not convinced.
I agree that the price increases are a bit much. The RAT is a great example of your point. You won't find much dissent for anything Spyderco does on Bladeforums. It's mostly earned, but as you've noticed the discussion just will not happen.
Calling Spyderco a liar? That’s not a personal insult? Gotcha. Your screen name is a BIG part of this conversation, as we all know what ganzo really does. Suck it up buttercup, anything ganzo is not going to go over well here. Anyone that has been an active part of this should know this. Quit being so dense and arguing semantics of why the Tnacious costs more now.
There have been insults on both sides.
These will stop.
There has been repeated political commentary.
This also will stop.
Many knife companies are riding a wave of profitability as a result of their popularity and I doubt that Spyderco is any different. The first time that I heard the founder say that they don't make excessive profit, I was unconvinced. Anyone could make that claim, depending on how you define excessive. They make a product, set a price and you buy it or you don't. That's how business works.
It is not the same thing to have a discussion about the price increase of Spydero's products and calling Sal a liar because somewhere he said material costs went up.
The issue is the accusation that went along with it. If you want to discuss whether or not the Tenacious is overpriced, that's an extremely different conversation than if Spyderco is lying about their pricing model. Honestly, as an enthusiast, I'm not interested in dropping $50 on a Tenacious. That's more than I feel the knife is worth to me. That said, it's one of my most frequent recommendations to my friends that aren't into knives because it's well made, won't break the bank, the steel is an excellent choice for inexperienced sharpeners and it's backed by an extremely reputable company and warranty.
there are many spyderco models i won't purchase simply because they are too much, and that's just me not feeling comfortable enough to drop a couple hundred dollars on a folder, and it ends there, with my respect for spyderco still intact
This is true. There's an amount of formality that OP just blew right past.
I'll recommend Byrd reliably to people who are function minded. I think the Cara Cara 2 is still hard to beat in that milieu, even at $30. The cutting geometry and Endura + finger choil handle ergos are fantastic. I've used one as my "house knife" for years with no mechanical sympathy and it's been excellent.
I can handle your Ganzo fanboyism, and arguments against Sal and Spyderco. I will not tolerate this crap. Welcome to my ignore list. Have a long, happy life there.
It's the hole.
You guys are paying extra for the freakin' hole!
Eleven pages of this crap going on speaks volumes to the civility of members and the leniency of mods on this forum. You are just abusing. And this is not the first time by far. Repeat offender you are.
Spyderco can charge whatever they want. Free market and all . Supply and demand.
If you don’t like it, vote with your wallet and buy something else. Done, easy .
Nice and easy. But too simple for the GanzoFan...
I skipped from page 1 to 8, and I assume the conversation has pretty much stayed on the cost of materials, production, advertising, etc. Has anyone chimed in about the huge number of new models Spyderco makes every year? Price increases likely subsidize some of the cost of new machining and tooling for new designs at any one of the factories across the 8 countries in which Spyderco produces knives (if you still count the short lived German Herbst, otherwise it's 7), not to mention new steels and testing heat treatments. Ontario sticks to fewer designs and simpler materials. That costs less. Not to mention the costs of dealing with Amazon (WAY worse than Ganzo as a company) have heavily increased in 10 years. The fact that the Rat 1 hasn't increased is surprising. I don;t have a degree in international business, engineering, economics, or anything that has to do with making money so I can't say why any of this is. All I can say is the RAT 1 is a great $25-30 knife and the Tenacious is a great $40-50 knife and I'd be fine carrying either.
Now, please return to the shit posting and mod stomping. It's better than Netflix!
I heartily agree with that.
I like Cats.
if u don't like spyderco prices then don't carry a spyderco. they can charge whatever they want to charge because they make a superior product....I've got $50 spydies and $350 spydies and I've only ever paid that kind of money for a spyderco knife. can't say I own a ganzo can't say I care what anybody charges if I don't want to pay that price I don't buy it...if u want quality u pay for quality and that's just about everything in life
Spiderco, has essentially lost me as a customer by pricing themselves "Out of Reach"!
When I can buy a Benchmade for less, Why do anything more than make disgusted
comments and move on...
One knife they made that I was interested in I entirely lost interest in when the specifications
revealed it was made from 8Cr13MoV, In WHAT ALTERNATE UNIVERSE do they Expect me
to pay more than $30-$40 for any knife made of "Budget steel" REGARDLESS of Supposed
If I want 8Cr13MoV, I'll buy something from Kershaw!
Funds allowing I'll spend $110- $150 on a Griptillion or Bailout and NEVER suffer from "Buyers Remorse".
Further Spiderco's pricing FUELS the market in Counterfiet Spidies!
PLUS their tendency to make so MANY is the good steels ONLY as "SPRINT RUNS" Which further inflates their prices in the secondary market!
All I Really Want from them is a "Mille" or Para2 in S35VN as a REGULAR CATALOG ITEM for ~$150
I believe it's disingenuous to accuse Sal Glesser of lying by claiming that he's offered materials costs as the sole reason for Spyderco's price increases. His own recent statements run contrary to that argument.
But neither do I buy the premise that Spyderco's knife prices are based entirely on manufacturing and other pragmatic factors, as Mr. Glesser's own statements counter that argument, as well.
Clearly, he views at least some of his knives as works of art. And it seems that he feels that aesthetics, creative processes, and other intangibles can (and should) affect the pricing of those pieces.
In recent years, Spyderco has priced most of its quality models out of my comfort level. (I don't shop much at the low-budget end, so I'm not interested in the Byrd or Chinese-made lines.) I don't think it's useful to compare Amazon pricing, since Spyderco doesn't sell through Amazon any longer.
So to demonstrate what I'm talking about, I'll use an apples-to-apples comparison from Cutlery Shoppe. This is the Military entry from a 2003 catalog.
This is what a Military is offered for today.
My salary did not increase by 94% in the past seventeen years; neither did the salaries of anyone I know. So no matter how you rationalize that price increase, I won't be buying a Military model casually these days because it's simply too high a percentage of my disposable income. Most other Spyderco knives are in the same category for me.
P.S. - When did it become fashionable to post pictures of a knife from a brand you like in response to someone making an assertion with which you disagree? It's the Blade Forums equivalent of the four-year-old putting her fingers in her ears when she's told it's bedtime and responding with, "Nyah, nyah, nyah! I can't hear you!"