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Love my Sage 2 and is up on my top favorite knives next to the Sebenzas.
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Freq - Are you still wanting to try a sebenza?
@archieblue - have you held and handled a Sage 2? you shouldn't let the fact that it was built in taiwan (correct me if I'm wrong) put you off of this knife. Its a great knife, and almost every thread I've seen on it is saying the same thing. You should really try one, and at least try and consider the quality of the workmanship - USA or not - before you go knocking it.
@archieblue - have you held and handled a Sage 2? you shouldn't let the fact that it was built in taiwan (correct me if I'm wrong) put you off of this knife. Its a great knife, and almost every thread I've seen on it is saying the same thing. You should really try one, and at least try and consider the quality of the workmanship - USA or not - before you go knocking it.
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He was very clear in his post. The fact it was made in Tawain has put many off from buying it, and is the main reason I got rid of mine. IMO you shouldn't tell people "you shouldn't let the fact that it was built in Taiwan put you off this knife". We can think for ourself and make our own decisions.
It is a great knife though, and I would never tell anyone not to buy it because its made in Tawain. We are free to make our own choice about what we buy.
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My sentiments exactly.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I completely understand the dislike to a knife made overseas, but not when that same knife has its quality and workmanship proven in multiple reviews. This is bloody good I think, for a knife thats made primarily by machines, and gets mentioned in the "are sebenza's worth it" threads, and "sebs vs sage 2" threads. However I have no idea where the american knife industry is heading towards, whether its more offshore production, or local stuff.
Like if you said, "its a bad knife, because it made in taiwan, and I didn't buy one or consider it, becuase I won't buy a knife thats not made in America, and you shouldn't either" That is IMO, forcing your opinion about business practices and such on people (which I wasn't trying to do, just saying that archie should try it). I also think its a little ignorant (no offense to you) that someone won't consider a product from a quality company like spyderco, just because its made overseas, and a good example is some of the guys over at the spyderco forums, who totally shunned the sage 2 for being an offshore produced knife, but when they got to try one out, they found out that it was actually not too bad.
Like if you said, "its a bad knife, because it made in taiwan, and I didn't buy one or consider it, becuase I won't buy a knife thats not made in America, and you shouldn't either" That is IMO, forcing your opinion about business practices and such on people (which I wasn't trying to do, just saying that archie should try it). I also think its a little ignorant (no offense to you) that someone won't consider a product from a quality company like spyderco, just because its made overseas, and a good example is some of the guys over at the spyderco forums, who totally shunned the sage 2 for being an offshore produced knife, but when they got to try one out, they found out that it was actually not too bad.
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Hi Freq,
Congrats on your knife and thanx for the kind words and interest.
The Sage 3 is being made with G-10 to simulate FRN. Most of Blackie Collins' designs were created in FRN, Probably becasue he was the first in our industry to use FRN for a knife handle ("Gerber LST). FRN requires a mold and we didn't want to undergo the expense of an FRN mold for the model at this time. In eachof the Sage series (to honor lock designers) we try to use the preferred material of the creator of the lock.
Michael Walker liked Carbon fiber and our Walker collaboration was the first carbon fiber production model. Chris Reeve has always preferred Titanium.
In defense our our maker in Taiwan, The steel that we use for the blade (CPM-S30V) is a USA made steel. The clip parts are also made here. I would also favorably compare their exceptional quality up against any makers in the US.
sal
Congrats on your knife and thanx for the kind words and interest.
The Sage 3 is being made with G-10 to simulate FRN. Most of Blackie Collins' designs were created in FRN, Probably becasue he was the first in our industry to use FRN for a knife handle ("Gerber LST). FRN requires a mold and we didn't want to undergo the expense of an FRN mold for the model at this time. In eachof the Sage series (to honor lock designers) we try to use the preferred material of the creator of the lock.
Michael Walker liked Carbon fiber and our Walker collaboration was the first carbon fiber production model. Chris Reeve has always preferred Titanium.
In defense our our maker in Taiwan, The steel that we use for the blade (CPM-S30V) is a USA made steel. The clip parts are also made here. I would also favorably compare their exceptional quality up against any makers in the US.
sal
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I appreciate your input Mr. Glesser. I don't think anyone is knocking the quality. If it was made in Golden I would own one. I won't even pretend to understand all the economics and politics behind having to outsource. I am very much looking forward to the Para- Military 2. Love that it will be available tip up.
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I always think it's great when Sal joins the discussion.
I agree with mmarkh, the Paramilitary 2 is at the top of my list. Thanks so much Sal for making it lefty friendly, and tip up carry!
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A good knife is a good knife as far as I'm concerned. As long as the knife isn't made in some sweat shop- something no one would have to worry about with Spyderco- I'll get it if I like it. I look forward to the Sage 3.
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The Sage 1 is indeed absolutely butter smooth. Thanks for the tip, I may give it a try.
After experiencing it first hand, I think the Sebenza is a knife that shouldn't be compared to others. It's a fantastic knife, and has a personality of its own. I also think the Sage 2 is a fantastic knife, that also has its own charm. Why pick one knife, when you have have both? =)
Thanks for the info! I don't plan on selling my Sage 2 either.
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To all: FYI while I will respond to Mr. Glesser's comments, if at all possible, I would prefer if we can henceforth leave the politics out of this thread, and just discuss the merits of this fine knife itself...
Sal,
Thank you very much for taking the time to comment in our thread. It's a great feeling to be part of a community that provides so much knife information. When the founder of a company that produces a knife joins the discussion, it is indeed a special treat.
In the past week, I purchased a Sage 1 and 2. I couldn't be happier with them. I'll be the first to admit, I'm a layman when it comes to knives. Being an engineer myself, I do however have an overall high appreciation for fine details. Both of these knives have a very high quality feel, and an overall sensation of meticulous engineering. And of course, both of these knives came from the factory absolutely beyond razor sharp. More interesting to me however, is that both knives while extremely similar, also both have a unique character. This is to me what separates a good knife, from a great knife. Similar to the knife that it pays homage to, the Sage 2 has a character all of its own (which even differentiates it from the Sage 1), and is therefore great.
I can understand how many people might have an issue with a knife made outside of the United States. I myself also prefer to support manufacturing at home, and am often willing to pay extra for Made in the USA goods. This is especially the case when the quality of those goods and support from the company exceeds that of a non domestic product.
Spyderco however IS a domestic company, and by all accounts (never had to utilize it myself) provides domestic quality support. While I don't speak for anyone but myself, I can say that I have full faith in Spyderco as a manufacturer of quality knives. Although my experience is limited, I've never seen any evidence that Spyderco knives cut any corners when it comes to quality. As a consumer, my ultimate goal is to buy a product that has a favorable balance of features, quality, and value. I think Spyderco did an excellent job of providing that in the Sage 1 and Sage 2. Thanks for making high quality knives that your customers enjoy! I look forward to experiencing the Sage 3 first hand.
p.s. - Any other details you might care to share regarding the Sage III, or perhaps even the Sage IV? =D
-Freq (Christopher)
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