Spyderco Selling Direct on Ebay

I suppose the OP feels the factory outlet store is completely illegal :rolleyes:

I can't help think that the OP is't a Spyderco dealer or even works for one, but just another flipper who buys at retail and jacks up the price on sprint runs. He's upset that he's not getting a return on his investment and wants to soil spyderbugs good name. For "under cutting" him.

If Spyderbugs wants to sell a few knives on the side why not? Its thier company and it's their knives, they paid for them. If you can't sell a sprint don't blame them, you need to evaluate your own business practices.
 
cbrstar said:
All this thread has done is help me find a cheap legit source of some potentially rare Spyderco's on fleabay. Probably not what the op had in mind.
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yep. pretty much exactly how I see it, as well.

I guess thanks op for letting me know about this, that I didnt know about. good legit place to get rarer spydercos at lower than flipper prices.
 
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I can't help think that the OP is't a Spyderco dealer or even works for one, but just another flipper who buys at retail and jacks up the price on sprint runs. He's upset that he's not getting a return on his investment and wants to soil spyderbugs good name. For "under cutting" him.

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I have the same impression. Or if he does in fact work for a dealer, he may be utilizing an employee discount to buy at even a lower price only to then turn around and try to turn a profit on Ebay. Like that has never happened before. :rolleyes:
 
Wow...we need to immediately contact the Deep State and the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy to get comments on this!
 
I give up. People keep repeating themselves yet no one addresses the facts that I stated. There's a reason why whenever there's a sweepstakes or lotto, for example, workers and family members of the lotto company, or companies who endorse sweepstakes are not allowed to participate for a reason. We have certain laws in place that protect both the people and businesses to whom they're catered by. Once again, why has no one addressed my question on sprint runs and exclusives? We're led to believe that a sprint run of 500 or 1000 means just that, or a store exclusive is a special model that only a particular store who paid for the sprint run to be made is allowed to sell (not including flippers on Ebay). I've personally seen BladeHQ exclusives made available to the public by user Spyderbugs before they were live at BladeHQ. This surely has to be some breach of contract... and then factor in another that comes to mind - the Para 3 natural/M4 BladeHQ exlcusive that sold out in 3 days. I'm sure BladeHQ would have bought more if they had known they were available - I mean, a 3 day sellout... But then instead, a few weeks later they pop up being sold by none other than Spyderbugs for $39 over what BladeHQ was asking.

I could go on and on... but if you get it you get it, if you don't, then you don't. Stop blaming me for pointing out something, that is in mind, ethically questionable. I have presented all of my information truthfully and to the best of my knowledge. Make of it what you will. Like I said, we've been Spyderco dealers since 1999 and yes, we are a mom and pop shop, and no, we absolutely cannot compete with larger dealers due to the volume that they're able to purchase at. We've more than likely made Spyderco more money than any of you will ever spend on your collections. I have nothing against Spyderco and as I said earlier, I think Sal is man of great integrity. I do not believe that he knew what was going on, and after it was brought to his attention, he told Eric or Bethany to pull the listings. Because he is an honest and ethical man.

..and - to everyone who keeps saying that it's not an illegal store, I'm not a lawyer, but in July, 2017, Spyderco stated in a legal court document that they did not sell on Ebay. Spyderbugs was active and in full swing at that time. Regarding the nature of the relationship of the seller and the owner of the company, I believe that it falls under the same statutes that keep the lotto guys in check - No employees or family. I'm not accusing Spyderco of anything, as Sal in all likelihood didn't know. I truly believe that he wouldn't allow such a thing to happen and I'm certain that he's not involved.

I only speak the truth and the truth hurts sometimes, but please, stop looking for a reason to hate me.
 
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You are trying to stop an avenue that many people get rare knives from that's why you aren't getting any support here. Presenting your case in a public forum instead of contacting Spyderco directly makes you look terrible.
 
Spydergirl88 said:
You are trying to stop an avenue that many people get rare knives from that's why you aren't getting any support here. Presenting your case in a public forum instead of contacting Spyderco directly makes you look terrible.
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I know this... and I can feel the seething rage of knife-a-holics everywhere who see a potential gravy train hauling away due to my meddling, but I never said that I didn't try to contact Spyderco first. That is your assumption, not a fact. You do not know how many measures I took before finally resorting to posting here, so it's unfair to criticize me based on your imagination.


...and one more thing, I'm not the only dealer who feels this way, I'm just the only person who spoke out.
 
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I'm not being obtuse; I really do not understand what is being claimed here. G GreenTeaKiller can you explain the following claims for me?

Spyderco knives keep getting listed, en masse.
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What does "en masse" mean in this context? 4 examples each of 100 different models? 100 examples each of 4 different models?

... way below Ebay re-sale value
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What is this? Is it above or below retail price at a dedicated retailer site like BladeHQ?

Yes, I bought a sprint run knife that wasn't even available to dealers and it was below dealer pricing.
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Which knife was this and how much did you pay for it? What was the retail price for this knife? When did you buy it (after it was released to dealers or before)?

The average mom-and-pop shop can't compete with the likes of BladeHQ and Knifecenter, so It just feels like another low blow to the small business owner when the manufacturer decides to compete directly in the same venues as their dealers at price points that the dealers can't always meet.
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Am I to understand from this that you work at a "mom-and-pop shop" that also sells their knives on Ebay? Is that correct?

The new unreleased exclusives and sprint runs are the cheapest priced and are usually gone within minutes.
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What do you mean by "unreleased exclusives?" Is spyderbugs putting knives up for sale before they are available at retailers? Are these knives sold below, at, or above their retail prices?

When a sprint run of 500 sells out in a few days, how does Spyderbugs end up with 100 more for sale?
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A manufacturer exclusive and a sprint are not the same thing. For which manufacturer exclusives has Spyderbugs listed 100 additional examples?

I've personally seen BladeHQ exclusives made available to the public by user Spyderbugs before they were live at BladeHQ.
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Which ones and when?

a few weeks later they pop up being sold by none other than Spyderbugs for $39 over what BladeHQ was asking.
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How many was Spyderbugs selling in this specific example?
 
GreenTeaKiller said:
I give up. People keep repeating themselves yet no one addresses the facts that I stated. There's a reason why whenever there's a sweepstakes or lotto, for example, workers and family members of the lotto company, or companies who endorse sweepstakes are not allowed to participate for a reason. We have certain laws in place that protect both the people and businesses to whom they're catered by. Once again, why has no one addressed my question on sprint runs and exclusives? We're led to believe that a sprint run of 500 or 1000 means just that, or a store exclusive is a special model that only a particular store who paid for the sprint run to be made is allowed to sell (not including flippers on Ebay). I've personally seen BladeHQ exclusives made available to the public by user Spyderbugs before they were live at BladeHQ. This surely has to be some breach of contract... and then factor in another that comes to mind - the Para 3 natural/M4 BladeHQ exlcusive that sold out in 3 days. I'm sure BladeHQ would have bought more if they had known they were available - I mean, a 3 day sellout... But then instead, a few weeks later they pop up being sold by none other than Spyderbugs for $39 over what BladeHQ was asking.

I could go on and on... but if you get it you get it, if you don't, then you don't. Stop blaming me for pointing out something, that is in mind, ethically questionable. I have presented all of my information truthfully and to the best of my knowledge. Make of it what you will. Like I said, we've been Spyderco dealers since 1999 and yes, we are a mom and pop shop, and no, we absolutely cannot compete with larger dealers due to the volume that they're able to purchase at. We've more than likely made Spyderco more money than any of you will ever spend on your collections. I have nothing against Spyderco and as I said earlier, I think Sal is man of great integrity. I do not believe that he knew what was going on, and after it was brought to his attention, he told Eric or Bethany to pull the listings. Because he is an honest and ethical man.

..and - to everyone who keeps saying that it's not an illegal store, I'm not a lawyer, but in July, 2017, Spyderco stated in a legal court document that they did not sell on Ebay. Spyderbugs was active and in full swing at that time. Regarding the nature of the relationship of the seller and the owner of the company, I believe that it falls under the same statutes that keep the lotto guys in check - No employees or family. I'm not accusing Spyderco of anything, as Sal in all likelihood didn't know. I truly believe that he wouldn't allow such a thing to happen and I'm certain that he's not involved.

I only speak the truth and the truth hurts sometimes, but please, stop looking for a reason to hate me.
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so you work for bladehq, or are using them as a random example?
 
GreenTeaKiller said:
I give up. People keep repeating themselves yet no one addresses the facts that I stated. There's a reason why whenever there's a sweepstakes or lotto, for example, workers and family members of the lotto company, or companies who endorse sweepstakes are not allowed to participate for a reason. We have certain laws in place that protect both the people and businesses to whom they're catered by. Once again, why has no one addressed my question on sprint runs and exclusives? We're led to believe that a sprint run of 500 or 1000 means just that, or a store exclusive is a special model that only a particular store who paid for the sprint run to be made is allowed to sell (not including flippers on Ebay). I've personally seen BladeHQ exclusives made available to the public by user Spyderbugs before they were live at BladeHQ. This surely has to be some breach of contract... and then factor in another that comes to mind - the Para 3 natural/M4 BladeHQ exlcusive that sold out in 3 days. I'm sure BladeHQ would have bought more if they had known they were available - I mean, a 3 day sellout... But then instead, a few weeks later they pop up being sold by none other than Spyderbugs for $39 over what BladeHQ was asking.

I could go on and on... but if you get it you get it, if you don't, then you don't. Stop blaming me for pointing out something, that is in mind, ethically questionable. I have presented all of my information truthfully and to the best of my knowledge. Make of it what you will. Like I said, we've been Spyderco dealers since 1999 and yes, we are a mom and pop shop, and no, we absolutely cannot compete with larger dealers due to the volume that they're able to purchase at. We've more than likely made Spyderco more money than any of you will ever spend on your collections. I have nothing against Spyderco and as I said earlier, I think Sal is man of great integrity. I do not believe that he knew what was going on, and after it was brought to his attention, he told Eric or Bethany to pull the listings. Because he is an honest and ethical man.

..and - to everyone who keeps saying that it's not an illegal store, I'm not a lawyer, but in July, 2017, Spyderco stated in a legal court document that they did not sell on Ebay. Spyderbugs was active and in full swing at that time. Regarding the nature of the relationship of the seller and the owner of the company, I believe that it falls under the same statutes that keep the lotto guys in check - No employees or family. I'm not accusing Spyderco of anything, as Sal in all likelihood didn't know. I truly believe that he wouldn't allow such a thing to happen and I'm certain that he's not involved.

I only speak the truth and the truth hurts sometimes, but please, stop looking for a reason to hate me.
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I had stated in my previous postings on this thread that you had brought up some "valid" point. In retrospect I should have really used the word "interesting" as opposed to "valid" since I am neither a lawyer nor I was well versed in the 2017 suit which Spyderco had filed against eBay in the Federal Court in CO. Since I have taken a few minutes to briefly skim over the suit as reported by Knife News.

With regards to your claim that Spyderco had stated in their law suit that, "they do not sell their merchandise on eBay", I did not see that in the report since I did not read the whole complaint against eBay, but be as it may, if the registered owner of the eBay ID Spyderbugs is merely the spouse of one of the Co executives, in my not-steeped-in-the-law mind, that does not constitute a breach unless the seller is an executive of that Cop which may get matters into a murkier area. Also, let's not forget that this suit was settled out of court so there was no judgement against anyone or any entities. The worst that eBay can do at this point is to indefinitely suspend that account to which I do not see as to why if the eBay account holder is in no violation of eBay's policies. Even if the eBay account can be conclusively linked to Spyderco, I very much doubt that eBay will decide to litigate against Spyderco.

If you do believe with the utmost conviction that anti-trust laws are being broken in such cases against the Co's dealers and distributors , your business concern and alike ought to perhaps consider taking legal action based on the observances which you have claimed and the documentations of which you seem to be putting together. This venue certainly is not the correct platform to express such grievances.

I only decided to get involved with this thread because someone had incorrectly mentioned that the listings by Spyderbug were "removed", sometimes after this thread had appeared. I had merely tried to correct the technicality of the matter that from what I had discovered, the listings were ended electively by the seller for whatever the reasons and they were not removed (by eBay) because they did not appear to be in violation of eBay's listing and VeRO policies.
 
Boxer .45 said:
Hard to believe a few hours (appx 5) after this thread was started and somehow the seller found this thread and withdrew items because of it. :rolleyes:

I usually don't buy from Ebay but I may if I see a Hap40 Delica 4. ;)
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Knife center still has them for sale. I have one. It’s awesome. In my pocket now in fact.
 
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