Spyderco Sharpmaker USA or China

[nozh2002]

It is easy to extrapolate - we will be buying Chinese goods for real price which as I suspect will be more then US made, simple because US productivity is higher, but at that point of time US will not have any production facilities and workers, so we will be buying anything China will offer us for whatever price.

This is why I am not buying Chinese - I am not sure that all those big corporations who "care about their investors", but not US economy, seeing my "protest" will start producing here in US, but at least I am doing what is possible by me.

By the way Japanese company - Kershaw leading knife industry in effort to manufacture knives in US, while US companies giving up production to China.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[huugh]

(and this is why even Russia collased under their rule - it takes them 75 years to waste richest country in the World)

So the czarist Russia was richest country in the world?

...point is that Communist Government lover Yuan rate to make their products few times cheaper even real coast is higher and quality is lower to be able to compete with made in USA (or everywhere else) goods which cost less and better in quality and actually take over market after market this way - entire industries in US disappear! Unlike in Japan where they protect their market better and made-in-China things in Japan costs at least same as made-in-Japan and have hard time competing.
Thanks, Vassili.

That only means that China is loosing their producer surplus and you gain additional consumer surplus.

It is easy to extrapolate - we will be buying Chinese goods for real price which as I suspect will be more then US made, simple because US productivity is higher

If that will be the case, given you expect equal wages, or that higher US productivity will make up for the difference in wages, then simply Chinese will import from US for the lower US prices (unless, of course, they would be silly enough to impose trade barriers therefore deliberately lower their welfare).

, but at that point of time US will not have any production facilities and workers, so we will be buying anything China will offer us for whatever price.

You argued with higher US productivity, therefore in your opinion there will be no US factories? What is your argument for this statement?

If you have i) high enough productivity (to make up for difference in wages) or ii) lower wages or iii) lower production costs due to technological advantage (or a combination of these) there is no point in importing and the industries will emerge.

You are whining about Communists, but you are against international trade?

 

[huugh]

As for "the richest country in the world":

 

[tazkristi]

The 204MF is made in the USA. The new 204D Diamond Rods are made in China, but that is an accessory item sold separately.

Deacon is correct, this is likely a mistake on the part of the E-Bay Seller. If what he has is marked as Made In China, it's not ours. The image he has is our old packaging.

We'll look in to it.

Kristi

 

[nozh2002]

As for "the richest country in the world":

1950 was after 40 years of commies take over Russia.
1950 was right after Russia lost 20 million of their best people of most productive age to stop nazy.
1950 was right after most developed regions were destroyed by Nazy.

Did not you learn in school about World War II?

But it is really nice to see this chart it actually shows what Russia capable of.

Because after all this in almost no time Russia sent Sputnik sent Gagarin and compete with US as an equal!

Second chart more interesting... It was not about richest country really, not about country which feed entire Europe at that time with wheat and oats. It was not about country which liberated Slavic from Turks all over Balkans. It is about speed of industrial Revolution which as I remember commies shows us on History lessons to show how great their ruling are and how they bring Russia from poor to rich - is your chart form same source? Whatever... This speed of course as in any race may vary until it settled down. And US pay for this speed later with great depression - as you may now.

Now great British "potential" I guess droped a bit after Australia, Canada, India and half of Africa decided not to contribute to this potential any more.

Anyway production potential here shows not richest country, but country which most actively preparing to war - like Germany or most industrialized country like USA - which were on top of technological revolution sanks to Edison and Tesla, but again not richest.

How long it take commies to destroy Czech? Less then 30 years. Russia had way more reserves and it takes them 75 to waste all to totall collapse.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[huugh]

1950 was after 40 years of commies take over Russia.
1950 was right after Russia lost 20 million of their best people of most productive age to stop nazy.
1950 was right after most developed regions were destroyed by Nazy.

Did not you learn in school about World War II?

Did you not learn in school about economic development of Russia during 20th century?

Figures went like this: 80% of population employed in agriculture (yes, even before Lenin made his putsch), majority of population was illiterate, more than 1/2 of the investment capital from foreign sources (exactly those which Lenin stole, feeling "no need to accept liabilities of former government")

But it is really nice to see this chart it actually shows what Russia capable of.

Because after all this in almost no time Russia sent Sputnik sent Gagarin and compete with US as an equal!

That is absolutely untrue, USSR (unless of course you believe false figures provided by propaganda), not even with their satellite regimes, never matched the US economic potential.

Second chart more interesting... It was not about richest country really, not about country which feed entire Europe at that time with wheat and oats. It was not about country which liberated Slavic from Turks all over Balkans. It is about speed of industrial Revolution which as I remember commies shows us on History lessons to show how great their ruling are and how they bring Russia from poor to rich - is your chart form same source? Whatever... This speed of course as in any race may vary until it settled down. And US pay for this speed later with great depression - as you may now.

It mainly shows how much provincial Russia was. As you know, NEP, following the wartime Communism when Russia almost collapsed, brought some vitality thanks to inclination to market but this ended in 1927. Then, the figure increase, was due to so called "Socialist industrialization" building heavy industry and GOELRO plan for all costs (like famine in 1931-1932). But in 1938, speaking in terms of industrialization per capita, the Russia still got only 38% of Great Britain's level in 1900 (moving from 15% in year 1900).
Is this somehow in accordance with your idea of the richest country in the world?

Now the cause of Great Depression was too high speed of industrialization? Hmm, really? What about credits issued to (almost) anyone, combined with small banks (or in better words the improper structure of the whole banking system) that were not able to accommodate the risk of default, imposing trade barriers (which turned to worldwide trend) or inactivity of FED?

Anyway production potential here shows not richest country, but country which most actively preparing to war - like Germany or most industrialized country like USA - which were on top of technological revolution sanks to Edison and Tesla, but again not richest.

What are you talking about now? FYI USA were on top due to capital and natural resources abundance AND high productivity, which was the result of much higher use of machinery (due to not so much abundant workforce as in other countries).

Do you really think the Russia was the richest country in the world? Or atleast what would today be called "developed country"?

And as for preparing for war - try to find out something on Stalin's plans for invading Europe. Russia WAS preparing for war...

I don't really know why I'm arguing with you. Go to the library and spend some time learning the facts. I won't continue in this.

 

[Slimman]

Tazkristi, Thanks for your response. Somewhere along the line this thread turned into a political/economics debate. The seller is maintaining that the product was made in China. I dont know what the explanantion is...........Maybe they are just very badly mistaken............or maybe it is not a legit Spyderco product. Whatever the case, in purchasing one I made sure it said "USA made."

 

[nozh2002]

...Figures went like this: 80% of population employed in agriculture (yes, even before Lenin made his putsch), majority of population was illiterate, more than 1/2 of the investment capital from foreign sources (exactly those which Lenin stole, feeling "no need to accept liabilities of former government")...

Well I never payed to much attention to Lenin and what commies tryed to teach us about how poor Russia was and how they developed it to modern leading country. I can not match this knowledge on your level, Sorry.

I do not see any point to continue this. You jump on some side note, I guess this is important and sencitive to former satellites. But I made my point and do not want to deal further on this emotional level.

I have nothing against Czech and actually think that they are nicest slavic nation and nicest nation in the Europe. I like Kerel Chapeck, I applaud to original Orange movement, Praga spring, etc...

Have a nice day.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Projek]

Its funny how every thread regarding China will shift from knives to politics.

I thought this is the Bladefourm, LOL must've got on the wrong fourm.

 

[Pointshoot777]

Its funny how every thread regarding China will shift from knives to politics.

I thought this is the Bladefourm, LOL must've got on the wrong fourm.

What's even more amazing to me is that a fellow (whom I assume is from a former Eastern Bloc communist country) must try to explain economics/politics/& history to Americans. But of course, many Americans could care less about where or from who they buy from, or what that might mean long term - - as long as its 'cheap'. Instead of electing Leaders, they vote for slick talking/looking politicians. Instead of being Citizens, they are merely 'consumers'. - - -
End of rant - - and back to knives. - -

 

[tazkristi]

I think the Political discussion has gone far enough. If you must continue, take it to the appropriate section of BladeForums.

Kristi

 

[bobofish]

I'll respect the wishes of the moderator, but I will add a brief thought;

I bought a sharpmaker a few weeks ago specifically after I found out it was definitely made in the US. I had many options for my dollars, and several very good sharpening systems. I opted for the one that not only for me had great features, but US manufacture.

I will however not be buying the diamond rods, because I now know they are made in China. For reprofiling, I will simply purchase a DMT stone and learn the hard way. For me, Chinese products are too expensive in their political and economic costs, as well as usual quality disparity. If I have no choice other than a Chinese made product, I can usually find a way to live without that product.