Spyderco Slipjoint

'Don't ruin the boat for the sake of a tupence's worth o tar' In my best Irish accent;)

VG-10 is a fan-tabi-astic steel!:cool: :D :p

6a...:barf: sorry but there I go again...:(
 
The slipjoint model is a Navigator pattern. Price is a major issue because we will be selling the model all over the world. It is not a stockman, it is a one hand open non locking folder with a blade length that is legal just about anywhere. In order to compete with the SAKs, etc, AUS-6 will do well. AUS-6 will outperform anything used by SAK and most of the available stockmans for that matter.

Going from 6A to 8A will jump 15 - 20%. Going to VG-10 would add another 20-25%. At those prices, we could not compete.

There is another interesting feature that will make it unique, but I cannot speak of it at this time. But it has to do with the world market.

sal
 
Originally posted by Sal Glesser
There is another interesting feature that will make it unique, but I cannot speak of it at this time. But it has to do with the world market.
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I hate it when he says that :)
I'm going to lie awake trying to guess it now...

I wonder if it's something to do with the blade deployment? But that wouldn't have much to do with the world market. Maybe the handle? Or the colors of it? Maybe it's designed to clip to togas, tunics, and kilts instead of pants? :)
 
Sal,

What do you mean by "navigator pattern"?
Does that mean it will have the same blade and handle, or just that it will be similar in size and materials? I know it's gonna be a while till we actually see this knife in production, but it's always nice to know what to look forward to :D

-Tim
 
Originally posted by Sal Glesser
Going to VG-10 would add another 20-25%. At those prices, we could not compete.

sal
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a difference of 25% would raise the price with $12,50. I don´t know, but to me it doesn´t sound to "scary" ;) But then again, to a general user it might (?).

I believe that the catch is information. If the local dealer could shortly explain the benefits of a better steel, then I believe that "every little user" would choose the one with the higher end steel despite the slightly higher price (IMVHO).

Paul
 
Originally posted by Sal Glesser
Legal and sheeple friendly anywhere in the world.
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The latter may be true (but I'm not sure), the first certainly isn't as it's sometimes the circumstances which are the deciding factor.

I don't think you're just going to market it in places where it's explicitely legal all the time, are you?

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the steel choice. VG-10 doesn't make sense in this case.
 
Originally posted by Griffon

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the steel choice. VG-10 doesn't make sense in this case.
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Hi Griffon (hej :) )!
Could you plz explain why it does not make sense to you? Apparently it does to a whole lotta people here, including me. Is it the $12,50 difference in pricing or something else?
 
I think the only determining factor to NON knife aficionados is PRICE only. They don't know or care about quality or steel attributes. If there are two knives of generally the same size side by side, many will pick the cheapest one. Look at how many POS's are on the market. And how many knock-offs (ripoffs) are sold. S & W sells knives that are obvious ripoffs of Spyderco, Chris Reeve, etc. with crappy steel, materials and workmanship.
If Spyderco made the "World Knife" with VG10, Titanium scales, and a cost of $75 + then compete with $5, $7 etc POS that just wouldn't sell.
Another point is what a knife is planned to be used for affects what steel is chosen. Why use, for example, VG10, ATS34, CPM440V on your SpyderCard that you use for cutting string?
Or use GIN1 on a knife you're hoping will save your or another's life?

John
 
however, in this case, we are not talking about a cheap knock off. The price sat on this new spydie is $50. With other words; a NON knife aficionado wouldn´t buy this knife in first place. The price for a non-knut (as you stated) is way too high anyway for this one.

This leaves us to the conclusion that the guy who actually buys this knife, knows something about cutlery and knives in general and have some basic knowledge regarding knives.

And here it comes: IMHO a guy like this would add the extra $12,50 and go for the better steel. Does it sound logical?
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Take care!
 
Sorry to make you lose sleep over the "feature". I will say that it is cosmetic.

Hi dePaul. add 20% for AUS-8 and then add another 20% for VG-10 and now you are close to doubling the price.

Also keep in mind that the average knife buyer, buying the knife at an airport or gift shop has no idea of one steel over another.

We think the $50 is already pushing the upper limit. The one hand open and Spyderco name might help.

Tim. A knife "pattern" is the outside shape. Knives have always been separated by pattern. Case Cutlery has 43 patterns Kershaw now makes 21 patterns, etc. (numbers are only shown for example).

sal
 
Sorry for not being able to understand you straight away. However, I do now and I can see your point. To pay $72 for a minor slip joint might be pressing it a little bit too much (even for a knuttie :) ) I would buy it though :D
 
Perhaps different handles are available to change the color or the message, like switching the plain black handle to one with the Russian flag on it? Just a long shot guess.
 
Sal, I understand your logic behind the use of AUS-6 and I agree with your choice. We knifenuts are so into steel we forget that some people have been using 420HC and 440A knives for years without complaint. As a matter of fact, most of us were using knives with those steels before we became sophisticated! My guess is that with a price of $50. Some people will sell the Spydie slip joint for $35 or so and that would make it competitive with a SAK. A great addition would be slots to hold a nail file and screwdriver like the tooth pick and tweezer slots on an SAK. I know we probably won't see that on this model but if the slipjoint is a success, maybe you will do it in the future.
 
I think Sal is doing the right thing by keeping the price point down. We have to remember that this model is trying to get the attention of non-knife as well as knife afficionados. We on this board are really an infinitesimally small portion of the population. Very few people really care about steel type, but they DO care about price, and if they would care to own something. Even if they knew the benifits of a higher-grade steel, I'd bet most would still opt for the cheaper version. Hell, there are people who will buy crappy knockoff POS's that are sold at tables right near a whole display of reduced-priced Spyderco's just because the price seems better.

Someone might say, "Well, those people are too stupid to appreciate a good knife anyway," and in the past I would have agreed. But a model can only be worthwhile to be kept in production if it's selling. What happens after all the knifeknuts already have theirs? That's only a relatively small number of knives sold. It must reach the greater populace. Then when they notice the big differences in performance vs. the slightly higher price, they will start to appreciate the difference between a good knife and a POS.
Jim
 
This sounds like a very interesting knife. First, Sal used the word "modern" to describe it. That could encompass a very wide-ranging kinds and degrees of difference from traditional slip joints. We know that the pattern is, or is like, the Navigator pattern. That certainly is not a traditional slipjoint pattern. We know that it has some cosmetic/appearance factor that is expected to be a major selling point. I gotta say that this is a knife I'm going to have to see, and probably read about -- a lot? -- before I'm going to be ready to choose it over the new Camillus carbon steel trapper pattern for MSRP $26 or so.
 
Boy am I bummed. I read the thread in the general discussion area and was totally jazzed by the idea of a Spyderco slip joint. I figured that if anybody could make a sensational slip joint, it would be Spyderco. Then I just read about the AUS6.

I see things like The General. $50.00 is way more than the average person is going to pay for a slipjoint, no matter how many bells and whistles you put on it. The average guy would rather buy a POS. The only one to pay that much for a slip joint is an informed knife buyer.

I've been shopping around for a good quality slip joint with an excellent grade of stainless steel. Nobody has the cajones to make one as part of their normal production line. I see this as a mistake. People are starting to get tired of tactical, and are going back to the old ways. The informed people are looking for a slip joint worthy of their hard earned cash. That means an excellent grade of stainless steel, multiple blades, no plastic handles, good "walk and talk", and some modern features. We want a QUALITY slip joint, not another econo-knife.

The pocket clip does sound awesome though.

Kershaw did a great job with the Double cross. The lock is very cool, and the Wharncliffe blade was a stroke of genius. The choice in steel sent it to the "cool, but not what I want to carry" drawer of my sesk. It sounds like the Spyderco slip joint will find a place next to my Double Cross, if I even bother to pick one up.

If Spyderco wants to make a slip joint, they're a step ahead of the market. If they decide to make it another cheapo slip joint like so many others, the market will walk right over Spyderco, never even noticing the "was almost a contender" little slip joint.
 
Whoops. Sorry about that. I must have looked too closely at avatars, and not carefully enough at names. You Spydie nuts all look alike to me. :)
 
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