Spyderco's different serration patterns: Spyder Teeth

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I own many of the older and some of the newer Spyderco serrated blades. There have been several different serration patterns that they have used throughout the years. I would like to chat about the different patterns and discuss the advantages and other comments pertaining to those different patterns.

One of my all time favorite Spyderco serration patterns is like the one on my older fully serrated Catcherman model. The scallops are longer and less spiky but they sure fillet fish very efficiently.

Also I find the serrations on the Seki City Spyders somewhat more spiky that the ones that currently come out of the Golden CO plant.

For the record I truly believe that Spyderco's serrations are far ahead of any other manufacturer's serrated blades. Also if there are any of the older patterns you all liked why don't you share your thoughts.

I just had a friend show me his brand new ZDP serrated Endura 2 days ago and those serrations are simply awesome. OK let's talk knife teeth :cool:
 
I think this is a great topic, however, pictures are going to be necessary. Could even become a sticky.
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Two different styles are evident between the Japanese produced ATR and the USA produced Ti ATR. With the VG10 Japanese steel having much more pointed serrations than the SV30 blade.
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Interesting topic. In a recent small test I conducted and posted in the knife review & testing forum I found that the slightly shallower serrations of the Delica 3 with a VG-10 blade sliced/whittled wood better than the steeper serrations of two older Enduras I had. The Enduras were a Gen 1 w/ AUS-8 and a Gen 3 w/ ATS-55. The serration patterns on the two Enduras appeared to be the same to my eye.

In the test the serrations on the Enduras tended to cut deeper into the wood than the shallower serrations of the Delica 3. The Enduras cut a lot of wood, and one might think that cutting deeper would be an advantage but it wasn't because I had less control over the blade and the strokes were more jerky.

The Delica 3 by contrast produced about as much wood shavings but in more consistent, though thinner, strips. The Delica 3 was the more enjoyable knife to use in this particular application because of the slightly shallower serrations.

I imagine that in other applications the more aggressive serrations of the Endura would prove superior. Against flesh, such as a side of beef, the serrated Endura would, I'm sure, be terribly effective.
 
I like the shallower serrations because, for me, they don't bind as much and cut more efficiently. I have an CE Tenacious and those serrations are so pointy that they bind up sometimes when I cut rope or tubing. My old Rescue with the FRN clip just slides right through dang near anything.

Of course, the pattern on my Dyads is my favorite. Are you with me, JD? :D
 
My SE Para and Dodo,(Golden) are great cutters. But my D4 from Seki is also awesome, I don't notice a difference in the visual presentation of them on the knife, but the delica slices fruit so cleanly and effortlessly its almost funny.

I dont know if its a matter of sharpness, depth of scallops or pointiness, or maybe a combination of both. All I know is that I love serrations, for anything. I see no difference between plain edge and SE except asthetics, of which I like both. (did I word that right?).

There are a few types of SEs from spyderco I would like to see on a new model or have the discontinued one fall into my hands, like the VG-10 ATR that Jill showed above, or that Spyderco branded cleaver with scallops so deep its not funny.





I <3 SE.
 
I once owned a SE Renegade. The serrations weren't hardly pointed at all, just scalloped. I always referred to it as a "kinder, gentler Spyderedge":cool:

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Not the greatest pic of the serrations, but it has a Police and a Caly for comparison.
 
I don't have any knifes with serrations from Golden, Co. I do have one serrated P-salt that I got from 5.56. I am blown away by its ability to be a great cutter. I need to pick up a SE Golden, Co knife to see if there is a difference.
 
The serrations on my SE Endura 4 Wave (with Krein FFG, of course!) are the best I've used so far. They are shallower than most, and they cut almost PE smooth with every last advantage (edge retention, aggressive slicing) you buy a serrated edge knife for in the first place.

Mike
 
I also like golden serrations better as they are much more effectivly sharpened with the sharpmaker while maintaining their factory profile
 
The serations on this ZDP D4 were a bit wider and less pointy than the others I have.
I think the H1 Salts have the best serations out of the ones I'v seen :thumbup:

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gunmike1 said:
The serrations on my SE Endura 4 Wave (with Krein FFG, of course!) are the best I've used so far. They are shallower than most, and they cut almost PE smooth with every last advantage (edge retention, aggressive slicing) you buy a serrated edge knife for in the first place.

Mike
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+1 The wide and shallow SE pattern largely does away with snagging, without giving up anything in terms of performance. I've been quite enamored with them for some time.

Here's a test I did with a very thick, fibrous dish towel and my D4WSE. With the towel free hanging, I just have a downward, vertical swat at 25% power, and it just glided through. Similar tests with the more agressive SE of my ATR, Cricket, and CE Delica all snagged.

Here's the cloth- its very thick and quilted

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B/C of the shallow SE pattern, I always sound like an E4WSE fanboy whenever someone asks for advice on a SE folder, but they really do work better.
 
mark greenman said:
+1 The wide and shallow SE pattern largely does away with snagging, without giving up anything in terms of performance. I've been quite enamored with them for some time.

Here's a test I did with a very thick, fibrous dish towel and my D4WSE. With the towel free hanging, I just have a downward, vertical swat at 25% power, and it just glided through. Similar tests with the more agressive SE of my ATR, Cricket, and CE Delica all snagged.

Here's the cloth- its very thick and quilted

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Here's after
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B/C of the shallow SE pattern, I always sound like an E4WSE fanboy whenever someone asks for advice on a SE folder, but they really do work better.
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isnt the endura 4 a seki made spyderco??? which has completly different serration and much pointer than a golden, Co. spyderco.. at least my d4 does !!!! not that the delica didnt cut beautifully cause it did but the golden serrations are much easier to sharpen because of the rounder points
 
softrockrenegade said:
isnt the endura 4 a seki made spyderco??? which has completly different serration and much pointer than a golden, Co. spyderco.. at least my d4 does !!!! not that the delica didnt cut beautifully cause it did but the golden serrations are much easier to sharpen because of the rounder points
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The E4 and D4 waves indeed have shallower, longer, more rounded teeth than the SE standard models from memory of handling an E4 SE long ago. I just love how the Waves cut so cleanly through everything I can find, especially thicker fabric like in the picture. Maybe they were changed to not snag on SD slashing cuts, but either way the pattern is great for near plain edge clean cuts with SE edge retention and slicing aggression. The Tom Krein FFG on mine really makes it a wicked high performance cutting machine. I can't re ommend this knife enough as a first SE knife for people to see what a full SE can do. My SE Spyderhawk is amazing on vines and most anything else, but it's super pointy teeth are harder to sharpen and snag much more than the E4 Wave.

Mike
 
Great Posts thus far ladies and gents :thumbup:>> Again the serrations I have on my older Spyderco Catcherman model are even unique to most of the other patterns that Spyderco has put forth. The older Spyderco Bread knife that was in the line up in the early 2000s were similar but the neat thing about the serrated Catchermans is that they are not just limited to kitchen/culinary use.

I really like Jill's picture of the 2 ATR models. The Ti ATR made in Golden CO USA are some of the most functional I've used in a Spyderco folder.

To the other brother>> Great picture on that older big Calypso blade. I use to carry one of those and it's one Spyder that I deeply regreted trading. Also in that same picture you had an older fully serrated Renegade. The Renegade as most people know is like the ATR which was also one of the very few Spyderco models that was made in SEki Japan and Golden CO USA as well. The Golden CO serrations are great but I won't say they're better than the Seki serrations because there are some jobs I've done with my full sized big Dyad that was like having a chain saw in a folder.

I would sure appreciate more feedback about some of the older serrated Spyders. Also I was wanting to know what some of you thought about the serrated Spyderco kitchen knives. Great Posts!! I think it's a subject that we've truly not given enough attention to.
 
Dr Heelhook said:
The ones on the Byrd line are also completely different. They're not pointed at all, more rounded.
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Can't say I'm an expert, but I had a Byrd Raven with a combo edge, and the teeth were quite pointy. Of course, I can't find the crazy thing, so I can't show pictures.:mad:
 
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Here's a pic of the serrations on the E4W SE.

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They are definitely wider and shallower than those on the standard E4.

If you are thinking of getting an E4 or D4 Wave in SE or CE, you should know that they are being discontinued (PE will stay). They'll most likely be easy to find for a while yet, but I wouldn't wait too long.
 
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