Spydie TRIVIA question - really want to KNOW too!

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I have several Spyderco knives. My favorite to date is the:

Drum-roll please - The Serrated Military with G10 & CPM - S30V

My question(s) is this for those that know.

A) are the carbon fiber grips lighter? Do they feel like the old BenchMade AFCK?

and -

B) is there another Spyderco knife out there (even in the PAST):

(1) which is lighter;

(2) just as good cutting power design (I know; that's controversial),

(3) and just about as big - say, an 1/2 inch either way?

and -

C) really controversial - which is the best LOCK today. :eek:
(now that'll REALLY make this fun). :cool::foot:
 
A) Yes, but the difference is small. The Carbon fiber is more rigid, giving the knife a stronger feel. I've never handled a AFCK, so I can't help you there.

B) 1) a)The third generation Endura.
b) Pacific Salt.
c) Centofante II.
d) G-10 Police.
e) The masterpiece - the big Calypso
2) a)Not without a little help, but Tom Krein could put a full flat grind on it that would take care of that little detail.
b) I don't know if he could do H1.
c) This one will outslice the Military as is.
d) At least equal to the Military.
e) At least equal to the Military.
3) a-e)They are within about a quarter inch.
4) a,b,d,e) The mid-back lock is close to the strength of the Military's liner lock, and far more left-hand friendly.
c) Liner lock equal to the Military, with the added Centofante Secure lock to pretty much eliminate accidental release.

Any more questions? :D
 
yablanowitz said:
A) Yes, but the difference is small. The Carbon fiber is more rigid, giving the knife a stronger feel. I've never handled a AFCK, so I can't help you there.

B) 1) a)The third generation Endura.
b) Pacific Salt.
c) Centofante II.
d) G-10 Police.
e) The masterpiece - the big Calypso
2) a)Not without a little help, but Tom Krein could put a full flat grind on it that would take care of that little detail.
b) I don't know if he could do H1.
c) This one will outslice the Military as is.
d) At least equal to the Military.
e) At least equal to the Military.
3) a-e)They are within about a quarter inch.
4) a,b,d,e) The mid-back lock is close to the strength of the Military's liner lock, and far more left-hand friendly.
c) Liner lock equal to the Military, with the added Centofante Secure lock to pretty much eliminate accidental release.

Any more questions? :D
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NOPE. :)

PS I always loved YOUR dog picture - I've had a couple of pugs - last one passed recently. THEY Never live long enough for me.

Thanks for all the above. I've got a couple of the 1985 SS Police models.

You've been quite complete - I'll really check out the ones mentioned with a
special double check. :)

Again, Thanks you've been first class - as are all your posts. :thumbup:

steve
 
yablanowitz said:
2) a)Not without a little help, but Tom Krein could put a full flat grind on it that would take care of that little detail.
b) I don't know if he could do H1.
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i thought i remember reading somewhere to the effect that H1 can't be ground flat.
 
Thank you. The flat ground G-10 Police is much lighter than the SS, but they aren't real easy to find. For that matter, the C50 Centofante II and the C54 Calypso aren't real common either, but if you have enough patience and watch closely, they can be found.

I wish I could take credit for the dog in my avatar, but I stole that picture off the net. I think it was zenheretic I swiped it from.:o:D
 
tonydahose said:
i thought i remember reading somewhere to the effect that H1 can't be ground flat.
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Yep, Sal said they couldn't do it due to work hardening of the steel, hollow grinding being done on both sides at once and flat grinding being done on one side at a time. However, I think Sal was talking about mass production. There might be a chance that a custom maker like Tom could do it on an individual knife, but I don't know for sure whether he could or not.
 
yablanowitz said:
Yep, Sal said they couldn't do it due to work hardening of the steel, hollow grinding being done on both sides at once and flat grinding being done on one side at a time. However, I think Sal was talking about mass production. There might be a chance that a custom maker like Tom could do it on an individual knife, but I don't know for sure whether he could or not.
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thanks for the info.


Tom Krein said:
Post a link to an H-1 and I will tell you if I think I can do it or not...:D

Tom
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here is the metal chart by spyderco...its the first one on the chart. (don't know if you need it or not)
http://spyderco.com/edge-u-cation/index.php?item=3

here is a link to a pacific...pretty much an E3 endura which i personally know that you can do an excellent job on.

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=170
 
PS I always loved YOUR dog picture - I've had a couple of pugs - last one passed recently. THEY Never live long enough for me.
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that's a dog? I always thought it was a cat! :D

later
xdshooter
 
I just ordered a Pacific Salt, Tom. When it gets here, I'll send it on and let you try it. ;)
 
A) No the weights are essentially identical. The older, single liner Military weighs exactly the same in G-10 and CF (S30V version). Both weigh 112g on my scale. The newer double liner weighs 118 g in BG-42/CF and I'd bet the current productions S30V/G-10 and D2/G-10 versions would weigh the same, since they too have the added liner.

B) Probably not - the Military is a featherweight for its size. The old unlined FRN Endura, full sized Calypso, and the original unlined G-10 Police might come close for size and weight. They might slice better, if that's what you mean by cutting power, because the blades are thinner, but that would also make them more prone to damage doing heavy cutting/chopping where twisting might occur. They would also feel less substantial in the hand.

C) Spyderco front lock works the best for me. They are fully ambidextrous, easy to operate, strong, and reliable. I have a high degree of trust in all Spyderco front locks and would trust the ones on a Manix or Chinook further than any other lock I've ever handled, period. The trade-off is weight. A frront lock knife will inevitably weigh more than a liner lock of the same size. The Military has one of the strongest, if not the strongest, liner lock on the market, so the sacrifice in lock strength is minimal, and for many a legitimate and reasonable trade-off for the weight savings.
 
The Deacon said:
A) No the weights are essentially identical. The older, single liner Military weighs exactly the same in G-10 and CF (S30V version). Both weigh 112g on my scale. The newer double liner weighs 118 g in BG-42/CF and I'd bet the current productions S30V/G-10 and D2/G-10 versions would weigh the same, since they too have the added liner.

B) Probably not - the Military is a featherweight for its size. The old unlined FRN Endura, full sized Calypso, and the original unlined G-10 Police might come close for size and weight. They might slice better, if that's what you mean by cutting power, because the blades are thinner, but that would also make them more prone to damage doing heavy cutting/chopping where twisting might occur. They would also feel less substantial in the hand.

C) Spyderco front lock works the best for me. They are fully ambidextrous, easy to operate, strong, and reliable. I have a high degree of trust in all Spyderco front locks and would trust the ones on a Manix or Chinook further than any other lock I've ever handled, period. The trade-off is weight. A front lock knife will inevitably weigh more than a liner lock of the same size. The Military has one of the strongest, if not the strongest, liner lock on the market, so the sacrifice in lock strength is minimal, and for many a legitimate and reasonable trade-off for the weight savings.
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:thumbup:Thanks for the well-written response. I'll take a serious look at the carbon fiber MILITARY.

Frankly I have a few knives from Spyderco - and NOT one - bar none- has the shear cutting CLEAN power of the MILITARY. I am amazed every time I use it. Plastic shipping bags, thick cardboard boxes, a wine cork,

http://www.coolbuddy.com/videos/video_clip.asp?id=901


- dog-GONE (for the pictures above :)) it nothing seems to phase the ability of the tool.

It beat the:
police
endua
delica zdp
BM AFCK
BM PIKAs
BM Griptillian
Al Mar SERE 2000

Almost like a 4" razor blade and/or box cutter.

I do like the Axis Lock just a tad better - however. :o I have not seen the compression nor ball locks - that Sal mentioned.
 
Really works - I just did it with a Vons/Safeway plastic bag.

Thing is I let the cork dry out and it swelled up rather big so the struggle was tough - BUT it does work - it does.

Gear party trick bet 'em you can pull out the cork with only your hand and a plastic bag.

Be sure to tip it up to capture the cork before inflating the bag - then pull.

Use a wet cork.
 
Here is a photo of some knives I recently reground. The H-1 Spyderco Pacific was not a problem.

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Thanks!

Tom
 
The big question now would be: "What is the Rockwell hardness of the H-1 blade after the regrind?"

I am glad that you had no trouble grinding the H-1, because after payday I'm probably going to send a box of knives your way ;)
 
yablanowitz said:
The big question now would be: "What is the Rockwell hardness of the H-1 blade after the regrind?"

I am glad that you had no trouble grinding the H-1, because after payday I'm probably going to send a box of knives your way ;)
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Not sure of the RC hardness, but I know it ground pretty easily and I didn't get it hot...

Send 'em in and I will take care of them!:D

Tom
 
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