SpydieChef Question :)

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20mmf17

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Hey all hope everyone is doing well and staying safe.

this question would most likely be for Sal or someone at spyderco but of course... as is the nature of the internets and such everyone and anyone can hop in and contribute their opinions or roast or roast and then contribute or just laugh šŸ¤¤

I really like the SpydieChef and would like to pick one up the only thing that is keeping me is the lockbar. I have to assume there is no steel lockbar interface/overtravel stop due to rust concerns. putting a steel piece in with a nice lc200n blade would be like going to a nice steakhouse and asking for some chicken nuggets.

I am curious if there are plans to incorporate some type of interface between lockbar/blade that honors the goals of this knife... I know that some designers have pulled off a ceramic interface between lockbar and blade.

are my concerns silly? anyone with typical usage on their spydiechefs have issues with theirs in regard to overtravel and/or titanium to steel stickage?

thanks in advance :)
 
This has been asked before because the other Slysz knives are the same, the titanium is treated to prevent issues. I believe it's the same treatment that use on CRKs.
 
20mmf17 said:
Hey all hope everyone is doing well and staying safe.

this question would most likely be for Sal or someone at spyderco but of course... as is the nature of the internets and such everyone and anyone can hop in and contribute their opinions or roast or roast and then contribute or just laugh šŸ¤¤

I really like the SpydieChef and would like to pick one up the only thing that is keeping me is the lockbar. I have to assume there is no steel lockbar interface/overtravel stop due to rust concerns. putting a steel piece in with a nice lc200n blade would be like going to a nice steakhouse and asking for some chicken nuggets.

I am curious if there are plans to incorporate some type of interface between lockbar/blade that honors the goals of this knife... I know that some designers have pulled off a ceramic interface between lockbar and blade.

are my concerns silly? anyone with typical usage on their spydiechefs have issues with theirs in regard to overtravel and/or titanium to steel stickage?

thanks in advance :)
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The face of the titanium lockbar has been carbonized for added durability. The Slysz Bowie has been out for six or seven years and the amount of people who have had lockbar issue can probably be counted on one hand. Spyderco has a lifetime warranty, so I imagine if it was a problem, they would have changed it to cut down on warranty claims.

I'd purchase the SpydieChef with no qualms about the lockbar at all. In fact I did. It's a phenomenal knife and a solid value. It's easily one of my favorite Spyderco's.

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That being said... An LC200N lockbar insert is a cool idea. My QuietCarry Drift 2 has one which I thought was a nice touch.

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My spydiechef has been in my pocket daily for the past year. Itā€™s my favorite knife and I canā€™t tell that the lockup has changed at all. Maybe if I EDC it for another 10 or 20 years it will wear out. In reality I will probably either lose it or switch to a newer design before I wear it out.

edit: I did have some very noticeable lock stick initially. That worked itself out in a few weeks
 
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lieferung said:
This has been asked before because the other Slysz knives are the same, the titanium is treated to prevent issues. I believe it's the same treatment that use on CRKs.
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Well, on the Slysz Swayback a lockbar interface has been added... I'm pretty sure it's been done for a reason. Over time and use any soft titanium repeatedly pressed against a hardened steel tang will deform, no matter how you "carbonize" it.

Will it affect the function of the knife? Maybe, maybe not. Surely a hardened steel lockbar insert extends the lifespan of a lock and thus a knife, especially when the knife has a very late lock up by design like the Spydiechef.
 
John Dough said:
Well, on the Slysz Swayback a lockbar interface has been added... I'm pretty sure it's been done for a reason. Over time and use any soft titanium repeatedly pressed against a hardened steel tang will deform, no matter how you "carbonize" it.

Will it affect the function of the knife? Maybe, maybe not. Surely a hardened steel lockbar insert extends the lifespan of a lock and thus a knife, especially when the knife has a very late lock up by design like the Spydiechef.
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I imagine that was added because of the number of people requesting it be added to Spyderco titanium framelock knives.

Sal himself said just last month that Spyderco has not had any issues with lockbar wear on the original Slysz Bowie, which is why they didn't take the time to reengineer it with one for the latest release.
 
The lock up on my Spydiechef was at 80% out of the box, it's moved a little bit further to 85% over a year and a half. It has quite a bit of lock stick that annoys me, makes me close the knife differently and does not go away with sharpie or graphite... in fact using those worsens the stick. It's the CQI 1 version.
 
Fixall said:
I imagine that was added because of the number of people requesting it be added to Spyderco titanium framelock knives.

Sal himself said just last month that Spyderco has not had any issues with lockbar wear on the original Slysz Bowie, which is why they didn't take the time to reengineer it with one for the latest release.
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I highly doubt that any manufacturer or knife designer would alter their products in that matter just to please some doubtful folks... especially not when they stress there's no problem to begin with.

Like I said. There's no way the titanium will not deform against the steel tang. It's just a question of wether that causing a "problem" or not... functionally there's the stick issue, some notice that, some don't. But it surely won't make the knife last longer.
 
John Dough said:
The lock up on my Spydiechef was at 80% out of the box, it's moved a little bit further to 85% over a year and a half. It has quite a bit of lock stick that annoys me, makes me close the knife differently and does not go away with sharpie or graphite... in fact using those worsens the stick. It's the CQI 1 version.
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Lock stick would definitely annoy me. I know lock stick is more common on titanium framelock knives, but so far the only knife I've had with lock stick has been a knife with a steel lockbar insert.

I've never understood the issue with late lockup on a framelock knife if there is no lock stick though. My SpydieChef, Sebenza, Slysz Bowie, and ZT 0450 all have late lockups and cause no problems. In fact I prefer it over really early lockups.
 
Well, I guess the issue may be that the distance between the lockbar and the scale is kind of considered to be the lifespan of the lock... ;)
 
John Dough said:
Well, I guess the issue may be that the distance between the lockbar and the scale is kind of considered to be the lifespan of the lock... ;)
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I get that. I just don't know that wearing out a well executed titanium framelock is enough of an issue to worry about. I mean I know it has happened, but it seems pretty darn rare. There are knives with titanium linerlocks like the TRM Neutron that have zero issue with the titanium lockbar interface wearing out. If it was an issue, wouldn't we see a lot more problems on knives like that with really thin liner locks?
 
The fact that the Spydiechef in some iterations "starts" at 85% lock up draws attention to the fact, that there's only 15% left for the lockbar to travel. That's it. That worries people.

It's in Marcin Slysz's designs. But hey, they changed it on the newer designs, so... ;)
 
Fixall said:
Lock stick would definitely annoy me. I know lock stick is more common on titanium framelock knives, but so far the only knife I've had with lock stick has been a knife with a steel lockbar insert.

I've never understood the issue with late lockup on a framelock knife if there is no lock stick though. My SpydieChef, Sebenza, Slysz Bowie, and ZT 0450 all have late lockups and cause no problems. In fact I prefer it over really early lockups.
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I strongly prefer a tiny bit of audible lockstick. It gives me confidence to trust my linerlock/RIL.
 
Officer's Match said:
I strongly prefer a tiny bit of audible lockstick. It gives me confidence to trust my linerlock/RIL.
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apologies but I cant follow the logic here. to me this is similar to saying you prefer your car to have engine knock so you are sure that the cylinders are turning.

when you have audible lock stick, I have to ask what is making that noise? My admittedly ill-informed lizard brain tells me that noise is occurring because a harder metal is biting into softer alloy causing tiny bits of it to wear off each time your hear it... again that is just an assumption, i would love for someone to educate me on this because i am too lazy to google :P
 
John Dough said:
I highly doubt that any manufacturer or knife designer would alter their products in that matter just to please some doubtful folks... especially not when they stress there's no problem to begin with.

Like I said. There's no way the titanium will not deform against the steel tang. It's just a question of wether that causing a "problem" or not... functionally there's the stick issue, some notice that, some don't. But it surely won't make the knife last longer.
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additionally, that begs the question... why is the bowie discontinued?
 
Fixall said:
Lock stick would definitely annoy me. I know lock stick is more common on titanium framelock knives, but so far the only knife I've had with lock stick has been a knife with a steel lockbar insert.

I've never understood the issue with late lockup on a framelock knife if there is no lock stick though. My SpydieChef, Sebenza, Slysz Bowie, and ZT 0450 all have late lockups and cause no problems. In fact I prefer it over really early lockups.
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I strongly prefer a tiny bit of audible lockstick. It gives me confidence to trust my linerlock/RIL.
20mmf17 said:
apologies but I cant follow the logic here. to me this is similar to saying you prefer your car to have engine knock so you are sure that the cylinders are turning.

when you have audible lock stick, I have to ask what is making that noise? My admittedly ill-informed lizard brain tells me that noise is occurring because a harder metal is biting into softer alloy causing tiny bits of it to wear off each time your hear it... again that is just an assumption, i would love for someone to educate me on this because i am too lazy to google :p
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No apology needed. I simply mean I prefer a "sticky" lockup on a linerlock or framelock. It tells me the lockup is secure, not prone to slipping. No similarity to odd mechanical noise in an internal combustion engine that I can think of.
 
2 20mmf17 if youā€™re considering buying one, I say go for it. You can add me to the list of folks that love the knife. Itā€™s one of the few knives I own that if lost, would be repurchased immediately without hesitation.

There are occasional reports of lock stick. Mine had a tiny bit out of the box. Now thereā€˜s a perceptible ā€œpopā€ as the lock begins to disengage, but itā€™s not challenging to overcome. Iā€™d say itā€™s perfect.

My lockup settled in at perhaps 65% and hasnā€™t budged. Looking at the geometry of the tang, I really have no worries about it wearing out. Theyā€™ve been out 4-ish years now? The interwebs would explode if they were wearing out prematurely (as they would with the Techno, S Bowie, OG XM-18ā€™s, etc).

Itā€™s one of Spyderā€™s best ever. I should really pick up a spare, just in case of loss or something. They wonā€™t be in production forever, and I canā€™t imagine ever not having one.
 
Danke42 said:
Because it never sold well when it was in production. It only got super popular when people couldn't get one.
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please dont take this comment as being confrontational... im just illustrating my thought process:

and yes. thank you. why did it not sell well?

I understand the allure of purchasing a 400 dollar knife today to flip it for 800-900 on ebay thanks to youtube influencers. but when it was in regular production and the inflated aftermarket was not there, why would i buy a 400$ knife with possible lockbar issues (stick/overtravel). you may say im being a bit nit picky. but for 400$, as a consumer im going to be nit picky.
 
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