SRK and Master Hunter Handle Issues

Kwon Kwang said:
I got both Carbon V and San Mai III! Love these blades!

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Nothing is loose on either model. The kraton on the guard has worn a little on the San Mai model from the sheath. It's no biggie.
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Both very beautiful Recon Tantos. I am predicting that the Sanmai Recon Tanto will also join the Carbon V one as a discontinued item in the near future.
If so, it (along with the Aus8 and solid VG1 versions) would be the last Cold Steel Tantos made in Seki Japan.
 
The Whip said:
Whoops, my mistake. I didn't know that the smaller San Mai models were manufactured by other than Hattori. Thanks for the clarification, Ken.

I disagree. I know that 3-V is extremely tough, but no steel is immune to over-stressing. And different designs, even if executed in the same steel, imply different functions. That guy wasn't carving wood, he was batoning through a round branch with a hunting knife. By any sane reasoning, he was using that knife for an activity for which it was never intended.

The Master Hunter is lauded in Cold Steel's advertising for its cutting ability. If that chip had resulted from an accidental strike against a bone, then I'd say it was an issue. If it occurred in an SRK, I might raise an eyebrow and wonder about the heat treatment. But under the circumstances described, that guy got exactly what he should have expected.

As others have mentioned, I'll never understand the modern fixation on batoning with knives. That's what hatchets were invented for! I grasp that emergencies arise and people want to know how far they can push their tools, but if I had to go into the woods with just a knife, it wouldn't be with any knife smaller, weaker, or less multifunctional than a Trail Master. And even then, I doubt I'd baton with it. There are other, better ways to split wood.
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I read you. But if it is indeed true that some CS 3v knives are harder than others, than I think its on Cold Steel to add what HRC each of its 3v blades are. That way knife owners could know how or how not to use the particular knife. That, and it never hurts to know more precisely what you are purchasing.

I know all about the war on batonning, but it has come to be about preference. It was a base idea, that has accrued with time, perpetuated by many. It is here, and to stay. I understand how this is a bigger issue, here, as the Master Hunter is a small knife, with no business tackling heavy tasks, but my comments have expanded to encompass the other larger, stouter 3v CS offerings. I really think CS should be more precise on the description of their knives, all of their models.
 
To be fair, a small hunting knife made for skinning would be tempered hard for edge retention rather than toughness. 3V over 62 HRC becomes brittle.
 
Jonslaught said:
I read you. But if it is indeed true that some CS 3v knives are harder than others, than I think its on Cold Steel to add what HRC each of its 3v blades are. That way knife owners could know how or how not to use the particular knife. That, and it never hurts to know more precisely what you are purchasing.
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They actually used to do this in the catalogs. Every knife had its Rockwell hardness listed. I remember particularly because it was something that Lynn used to tout: Cold Steel provided single Rockwell readings resulting from their hardness tests, instead of the hardness ranges that other companies offered (e.g., a Tanto had an HRC of 58 rather than 56-59). I guess providing Rockwell ratings became passe over the years and Cold Steel stopped doing it.

It probably doesn't mean as much these days in light of Cold Steel's Proof tests anyway. What difference does a blade's Rockwell hardness make when they show you that it can survive being punched through the side of an ammo can repeatedly? Still, maybe they'll start providing the information again if enough people ask for it.

Jonslaught said:
I know all about the war on batonning, but it has come to be about preference. It was a base idea, that has accrued with time, perpetuated by many. It is here, and to stay.
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Valid point, and I understand your stance, Jon. Cold Steel brings a good bit of this on itself for raising high performance expectations with the Proof videos. I mean, they baton several of their knives in the demonstrations, and no amount of "Don't try this at home with your knife" warnings will dissuade the foolhearty. But almost without exception, every time I see a picture of a broken fixed blade and read the accompanying story explaining how it happened, you know what the answer is? Batoning.

It's a dumb practice that is full of variables that can't be quantified, which leads people to nonsensical conclusions such as, "A Mora is better/tougher than a Master Hunter because the Master Hunter chipped and the Mora didn't when I tried pounding them both through a tree branch with another tree branch." The only valid conclusion is that batoning is a good way to break a knife.

-Steve
 
I had a tralimaster in Sanmai III. My handle did get a bit loose. It became an issue when chopping hard, the blade would twist, and no matter how hard you held the handle, the blade would torque in a cut.
 
The Whip said:
They actually used to do this in the catalogs. Every knife had its Rockwell hardness listed. I remember particularly because it was something that Lynn used to tout: Cold Steel provided single Rockwell readings resulting from their hardness tests, instead of the hardness ranges that other companies offered (e.g., a Tanto had an HRC of 58 rather than 56-59). I guess providing Rockwell ratings became passe over the years and Cold Steel stopped doing it.

It probably doesn't mean as much these days in light of Cold Steel's Proof tests anyway. What difference does a blade's Rockwell hardness make when they show you that it can survive being punched through the side of an ammo can repeatedly? Still, maybe they'll start providing the information again if enough people ask for it.



Valid point, and I understand your stance, Jon. Cold Steel brings a good bit of this on itself for raising high performance expectations with the Proof videos. I mean, they baton several of their knives in the demonstrations, and no amount of "Don't try this at home with your knife" warnings will dissuade the foolhearty. But almost without exception, every time I see a picture of a broken fixed blade and read the accompanying story explaining how it happened, you know what the answer is? Batoning.

It's a dumb practice that is full of variables that can't be quantified, which leads people to nonsensical conclusions such as, "A Mora is better/tougher than a Master Hunter because the Master Hunter chipped and the Mora didn't when I tried pounding them both through a tree branch with another tree branch." The only valid conclusion is that batoning is a good way to break a knife.

-Steve
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I wouldn't call it my stance. I was just stating a fact. Batonning is out there in the system (a bug in the mainframe to some). Perpetuated to the point of no return. What I said about the HRC would be a stance, thats a good one, regardless of importance, more detail about how a blade is made can only be a good thing. But batonning, ehh, I do it, sure -- it was actually the reason I bought an SP51 (Saber ground, 5160 with a 55 HRC) -- I did my research, to find a big blade that would be the least prone to chipping. This one shouldn't, barring some unforeseen and unseen issue -- always the wild card. The SP51 widens my options. But for the most part, I leave the wood stuff to the Trail Boss -- I have 3, looks amazing W/O the black coating.

And right back at you with the valid point remark: Batonning, its true, this sort of knife destruction is always tied with the act. It can only be a risk. Especially in the cold. And especially with FFG, where all the shock from the baton transfers to the edge. With a saber grind, much of the shock gets absorbed by the unground portion, and the wedge action coming into play earlier translates to less whacks. We will end batonning, one less whack at a time!
 
Bigfattyt said:
I had a tralimaster in Sanmai III. My handle did get a bit loose. It became an issue when chopping hard, the blade would twist, and no matter how hard you held the handle, the blade would torque in a cut.
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And how did you resolve this? Sent it back to dealer? To CS? Fixed it yourself?
 
The Whip
I comprehend your sarcasm, but it's been known to happen, particularly outside of America:

http://coldsteelforums.com/Fake-Reco...o-m220474.aspx
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I know this fake recon version .....its not that bad :D

Original vs Fake (The difference aint that big and dont forget that chinese one is only for ~30$ free shipping worldwide)
btw:he dont need a steel pipe to bend the knife.
[video=youtube;dUJC-JPVKas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJC-JPVKas[/video]



The Whip
For what it's worth, while researching my response to this topic, I ran across an interesting story from a guy who broke his Recon Tanto in half at the handle while using it in the woods. As the details unfolded, it turned out that he had unwittingly purchased an old Carbon V Second from an unscrupulous (or ignorant) seller on E-Bay. He sent it in to Cold Steel. Despite the fact that the knife 1) was purchased second-hand, 2) was a Second, which is not warranted, and 3) was used in woodcraft, which is hardly the intended purpose of a Recon Tanto, Cold Steel still sent him a brand new knife. That is some noteworthy customer service!
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[video=youtube;ARqrMkbSdCA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARqrMkbSdCA[/video]
He destroyed 2 recon 1s. and cs send him 2 brand new recons.
WHY?
look at his viewer numbers ...THATS WHY! marketing

but what about if you are an average joe?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1333406-Cold-Steel-Warranty-Service
thats what i call service:D
 
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Cool video but as I can't read Russian, I don't know which is real and which is fake.
Also batoning through bone with a huge wrench is an interesting concept. :)
 
Krusher said:
The Whip

I know this fake recon version .....its not that bad :D

Original vs Fake (The difference aint that big and dont forget that chinese one is only for ~30$ free shipping worldwide)
btw:he dont need a steel pipe to bend the knife.
[video=youtube;dUJC-JPVKas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJC-JPVKas[/video]



The Whip


[video=youtube;ARqrMkbSdCA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARqrMkbSdCA[/video]
He destroyed 2 recon 1s. and cs send him 2 brand new recons.
WHY?
look at his viewer numbers ...THATS WHY! marketing

but what about if you are an average joe?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1333406-Cold-Steel-Warranty-Service
thats what i call service:D
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I do t know. I had a San Mai III Natchez Bowie that I bought second hand. There was a issue with the mounting of the handle to the blade. Also, the guy I bought it from, cut the rivet off the sheath. CS sent a brand new one in the box.
 
Krusher said:
The Whip

I know this fake recon version .....its not that bad :D

Original vs Fake (The difference aint that big and dont forget that chinese one is only for ~30$ free shipping worldwide)
btw:he dont need a steel pipe to bend the knife.
[video=youtube;dUJC-JPVKas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJC-JPVKas[/video]



The Whip


[video=youtube;ARqrMkbSdCA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARqrMkbSdCA[/video]
He destroyed 2 recon 1s. and cs send him 2 brand new recons.
WHY?
look at his viewer numbers ...THATS WHY! marketing

but what about if you are an average joe?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1333406-Cold-Steel-Warranty-Service
thats what i call service:D
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He said recon tanto, not recon 1.. Please stop trying to put CS down in a place where the fans gather. It's both disrespectful, and will get you nowhere. CS has proven to have objectively great customer service, and while there can be anomolies, some darn good products at competitive prices.

I see forums like this pop up here, and in the buck forum, and I ust wonder why some people have to hate on well established companies, *to their fans*.
 
KenHash
Cool video but as I can't read Russian, I don't know which is real and which is fake.
Also batoning through bone with a huge wrench is an interesting concept.
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But nowhere near as cool as a hanging volvo car on a warcraft tanto
GII
He said recon tanto, not recon 1.. Please stop trying to put CS down in a place where the fans gather. It's both disrespectful, and will get you nowhere. CS has proven to have objectively great customer service, and while there can be anomolies, some darn good products at competitive prices.

I see forums like this pop up here, and in the buck forum, and I ust wonder why some people have to hate on well established companies, *to their fans*.
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Talking about respect while protecting cs and mr.thompson

And telling “don’t buy junk from my competitors” is respectful?
Making video after video to show always the same that a triad lock is stronger than a liner.
Why does cold steel need that? Quality speaks for itself you don’t need to show everytime that you have the strongest folders of the world.

Why they never do real fixed blade tests I mean test a A1 vs Recon Tanto lets see what happens :Dand who survives.(I know on what knife I would put my money on)
Why do they show you that the warcraft tanto is so strong you can hang a car on it?
But if you do some batoning and it chips they don’t stand behind their product :D

Fällkniven claims nothing and they make good knives they let the product do the talk.


Lynn told “we proof what we claim everyday.”

What did they proof everyday???

Are they the world sharpes knives?no
Are they world strongest knives?no

So what do they proof everyday?

Does steel will claim that they have the strongest knives? No
But hey they could if cold steel does.

it’s a draw
[video=youtube;BsPcZmrLVMU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsPcZmrLVMU[/video]
 
[video=youtube;lc92oOGEc44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc92oOGEc44&app=desktop[/video]

We can throw videos at each other and whine all day. It doesn't mean much. What does matter is how we choose to conduct ourselves on this forum.

You're yet another new face with no manners I've seen again and again in the time I've been here. After your grievance is communicated with the tact of a donkey, you will likely be chastised by a mod and will either be banned after you do not listen to the mod, or you will simply not post again.

Please do the smart thing, Krusher, and use some basic common sense in Cold Steel's house.
 
Krusher said:
Talking about respect while protecting cs and mr.thompson

And telling “don’t buy junk from my competitors” is respectful?
Making video after video to show always the same that a triad lock is stronger than a liner.
Why does cold steel need that? Quality speaks for itself you don’t need to show everytime that you have the strongest folders of the world.
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But no other company does it, and their blades fail miserably in the tests. Does the quality of the competitors speak for theirselves, when they claim "bank vault overbuiltness" and still fail early in the testing? Tell me, which of your favorite blades did CS destroy? :D
 
Well said Kwan.

No response to my point about recon 1 vs tanto, and a jab at me asking for respect, because you don't like CS advertising. Where they don't put anybody down, and whether or not the tests are relevant, even they say the whole point of the test is that CS knives pass that test. That's all. But anyway...

I've got my popcorn. Should be a fun thread to catch up on later.
 
KwonKwang
We can throw videos at each other and whine all day. It doesn't mean much. What does matter is how we choose to conduct ourselves on this forum.
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oh why so personal mrs kwang? offended?

and what did your video from prof.nutnfancy proved?he shows the srk in some cold steel videos.


look at the recon vs steel will video.(look at the bladespine of the recon and compare it with the sentence)
the sentence took the beating like a champ.

steel will is made in china and no big mouth behind the company that talks smack 24/7.
and they even beat that "japanese made" recon tanto.

isnt recon tanto the knife that cold steel is so proud of?wow a chinese fake can take the same beating for
only 30$(free shipping) and dont play the "it has aus8a" card .its an low/average steel nothing you can be proud of.


so what did YOUR video proof?
you postet a video that shows nothing.just like cs ads.

im not a hater of cold steel knives.
i own 13-17 of them.most of them are from 1998-2012.
cold steels style changed they decided to make knives for kids,sd-clowns and mall ninjas.(so ppl just like you)
thats just my point of view ...you dont like it F



so at the end of the day coldsteel:
-hunting knifes dont hold an good edge.(cheap steel)(AVG. HRC)
-military knifes(recon tanto) barely beats his own china fake
-folders ....yes they are strong.
But a folder should not be tough. Why should a folder hold 400lbs? for what?
Idont have much folders.i just dont like them for real use.(only lite)

victorinox+Endura/rajah2 spartan ti lite(btw bladeplay) are the only folders i have.
And none of them closed on me.


if a cold steel fixedblade (masterhunter) chips while batoning.evryone here says "dude its a hunting knife"
the edge holding from a master hunter aus8/carbonv/is BAD for a hunting knife.


if a spyderco endura zdp would fail a weight test(that dont mean a shit)everyone of you fangirls would applaud and mention that this is the reason you BUY cold steel
because they are so badass.


G III
No response to my point about recon 1 vs tanto
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same to you.no response on this one: Lynn "DONT BUY JUNK FROM MY COMPETITORS"
and this one
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1333406-Cold-Steel-Warranty-Service

I was talking about their customer service in general.(not only your story about the recontanto)
where is the good service in this one.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1333406-Cold-Steel-Warranty-Service

they probably send him some new ones after this...just to promote themself.

because you don't like CS advertising. Where they don't put anybody down, and whether..
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WOW on this one
maybe iam wrong and my english is not that good.
maybe you can help with this one

Lynn:"DONT BUY JUNK FROM MY COMPETITORS"

suing CRKT(great move) because lynn is such a nice person that cares about CRKTs customers hands.
will he sue automobile manufacturers in the future because many claim they just made the safest car that is solid like a tank(that was not a question)
Do you belive that shit?only a rat would do that.So since lynn cares about his customers hands he
should replace/repair all the ti lites+(all other linerlocks)that HIS customers will send to them.(with blade play)
Take your money where your mouth is right?

But no they dont even replace never used folders


Jonslaught
Tell me, which of your favorite blades did CS destroy?
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after i used the a1 for 4years it was time to put the srk in use(first time after owning it for 3-4y.)
i hoped i finally found a knife from cs that can compare to the a1
But you know how that story ends ..that douchebag never showed up for the fight just gave up on his stool / showcase even before the fight maybe he knew how his brother(recon tanto aka loosen handle) ended up back then


hows the srk doing lately you asking? hes still in critical condition.

i will give him some strong glue maybe he will get some self confidence and shows up against ................a china knife


KwonKwang
Please do the smart thing, Krusher, and use some basic common sense in Cold Steel's house.
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cold steels house
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..yeah truth not allowed here ..so i will now only talk about topics like "which folder(only from cs) should i choose for SD)

Min 1:00
[video=youtube;R_GHQ5cTTdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_GHQ5cTTdg[/video]
If you agree on that you probably dont know shit about hunting.

[video=youtube;nvwIwY6nrD0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvwIwY6nrD0[/video]
demko should try it with the outdoorsman.
even the guy on YT is a liar


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwS9bV5X488
What was he thinking in this one!
he have to thow the kukri from the same position where he shoots on that meat to make this test equal. and btw he only has 1 try.


[video=youtube;FKI1xmtf5Ck]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKI1xmtf5Ck[/video]
Why didnt he stop the buffalo with his "Gurkha Kukri" .....stoping power at his best


ok makes no sense ppl are blind and deaf on cold steel.

Sorry I should have known not to mess with coldsteel and justin bieber fanboys.(probably the same)
 
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