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Recommendation? Stainless for a Hunter

Well I'm just a hobby knife maker that a couple years back got set up to HT stainless at home. I figured I start out with 440C. I've had great results using it. I made myself and two other buddies "new" knives for us to take to Montana on a self guided mule deer hunt last fall. Now for the record my one buddy use to work at a deer processing place locally and knows how to use a knife. He doesn't use it as a machete and doesn't stick it in the ground between uses. Yes I've personally witnessed people do that.

We hunted walk in access only places so there was no dragging. My buddy used my 440C knife I made him just for this trip, for gutting, skinning and deboning his mule deer, his antelope, a buddies mule deer buck and doe, helped me do probably half of my whitetail using the gut less method and finally while helping a landowner skin and debone half his calf elk when he said his knife was now dull! Personally I don't know how much more you could ask for in a knife steel.
 
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Have you considered the new sandvik 14c28n? I am expecting it to blow away 440c or other non Nitrogen variants.
 
14c28n will have better corrosion resistance, greater toughness, and a keener edge than 440c.

440C will have better wear resistance/edge holding than 14c28n which is needed for hunting knives.

14c28n was developed for Kershaw because some of their bead blasted folding knives were showing some rust when used near salt water. It was not developed as a high wear resistant steel.

Hoss
 
A cryo treated 14c28n can perform fairly nicely and hit 60 - but yes I know it's likely to suffer on wear resist.
Using a strop now and then isn't such a bad thing

I have to see how it works out in a long term practical use case
 
So I'm generally interested what does a SUPER steel offer that simple 440C probably heat treated doesn't. I personally watched a known user use a 440C knife to gut skin and debone basically FIVE animals. What steel would have preformed better? I'm all in. I was with him during his entire use so I assure you he didn't resharpen. I know this wasn't in salt water environment but how could you possible ask any more from a knife or steel?
 
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nothing wrong with 440c, a lot of people still call it the early/first super steel :) People have a natural urge to improve on anything they can, which usually throws a wrench in the mix
 
Elmax treated to 60 Rc by Peters has an excellent combination of stainlessness, edge holding / wear resistance, and toughness. If my memory is correct, Peters helped Bohler-Uddeholm define the Elmax HT protocol. If toughness is important to you in a hunting knife (and it should be), no better stainless than Elmax in my research.

I had this custom knife made from 1/4" Elmax stock awhile back. Treated to 60 Rc by Peters. :D Thick stock for strength, full flat grind and distal taper to make it cut well. Tapered tang for balance. :cool:

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If my memory is correct, Peters helped Bohler-Uddeholm define the Elmax HT protocol.
Brad Stallsmith at Peters developed an alternative to the published Bohler Uddeholm heat treat recipe. The recipe worked very well and B/U adopted the recipe and the standard for Elmax.

Trivia: This was not the only time Brad developed alternate heat treat recipes for blade steel. IMO, Brad is a one of the hero's in the knifemaking community. This is just one of the reasons why we refer knifemakers to him.

Chuck
 
Brad Stallsmith at Peters developed an alternative to the published Bohler Uddeholm heat treat recipe. The recipe worked very well and B/U adopted the recipe and the standard for Elmax.

Trivia: This was not the only time Brad developed alternate heat treat recipes for blade steel. IMO, Brad is a one of the hero's in the knifemaking community. This is just one of the reasons why we refer knifemakers to him.

Chuck

Thanks for clearing that up for me Chuck! :thumbsup: I knew there was something to my recollection, but could not recall that level of detail. :cool:

This Elmax impresses me with the level of edge retention it provides. I'm always surprised Elmax hasn't caught on more in the custom market for a hard-use stainless.
 
This Elmax impresses me with the level of edge retention it provides. I'm always surprised Elmax hasn't caught on more in the custom market for a hard-use stainless.

Up until recently it was difficult to find without the undesirable can if I’m not mistaken.
Alpha started getting it in after they made sure we knifemakers were getting the best quality Elmax available, without the can. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
I have used the following steels on hunting knives that are being used in North America, Spain/Europe and South Africa:
AEBL
CPM 20CV/M390
S90V/S110V

All perform very well, with the higher carbide steels being able to process more animals and remaining working sharp for far longer (based on field accounts). All blades are heat treated by Brad.

It is no secret that I prefer the high carbide CPM steels for sheer edge retention as well as stainless properties (and as Jessica at AKS likes to point out to me I am a glutton for punishment), however well done 440C (or other go to steels like D2, A2 and AEBL) are all excellent steels that have proven performance over many decades of hard real world use.
 
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