stainless vs carbon threads?

Mike what up anyway??
I guess some guys do get emotional and defensive over another's opinion , either you want it or not
Just curious..what is it that makes you think I'm being defensive?
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we'll let see...
So far most of my knives have been stainless so there's no need to give me the confused look
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because you keep bringing up the Smiley for some reason? not sure why that's all. just tiring to give some input?

When I said explode what I meant was putting the blade in a vice using a snipe and bending until it breaks
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this is confusing? you wouldn't even do that an emergence tool other than testing..it's just you say you use both and still ask why? and you seem to do some testing..
this is the defensive I sense
I didn't realize asking questions and trying to further my knowledge of this craft would be considered littering the forum. I thought that's what this forum was for. Learning and trading experience and knowledge. Why is it anytime someone brings up carbon steel and stainless it's like a union and management. Like I said..
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you are not littering the forum here it is again:confused:
the forums are littered with this stuff. what I was saying there is so much info here on the subject all ready.

I'm not taking sides and don't appreciate the third degree.
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yes it looks defensive and I don't know why..
We can't get to know you better?

I realize you've been making knives longer than me and it's clear you want me to know that
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this is your story not mine you bought it up.
knowing more or less than you doesn't seem to matter to you, I give input and you come back with something like this stuff , if you don't want input why ask for it? ..you could have said Dan please don't reply because you irritate me and let it go ...what ever it is ? I don't ask questions that I won't expect to answer myself..how do we know what you know and be able to
help if you jump on someone, where, you in the first place didn't even say if you made knives or not? not even knowing how long? saying I've used SS is very vague.. and now you use SS and use HC steels. and sill have to ask? you did notice no one touched this tread at first with tact, there is a reason for that,, the place is littered with the same stuff. no you didn't litter it..
just so you don't twist that up..again..you are taking sh!t the wrong way Mike..no mater what you may think I'm not on your case

By the way, I'd never heard of you before I came to bladeforums either...do you like comments like that ? Nice
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why? is it suppose to bother me? sorry it doesn't. it again just seems to be a bit defensive..
I'm not sure what all this has to do with the questions I've answered for you..

I ask the question because your SS blade don't seem to be working for you..you did say your think you may give it up right?
I'm done with this one for sure...

Rob I'm not even going to get into that with you
Not to start anything here, but if you look at the toughness charts for and wear resistance charts for 154Cm and D2
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SS and non SS :D
 
Rob! said:
Thank You! :D
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:D
Rob
The thought of someone thinking I'm picking on more that one guy a day on purpose ,gaud,, I couldn't bear it..:D :D I have a hard time staying on IG's a$$..intentionally:D
 
Dan Gray said:
Mike what up anyway??
I guess some guys do get emotional and defensive over another's opinion , either you want it or not

we'll let see...

because you keep bringing up the Smiley for some reason? not sure why that's all. just tiring to give some input?


this is confusing? you wouldn't even do that an emergence tool other than testing..it's just you say you use both and still ask why? and you seem to do some testing..
this is the defensive I sense

you are not littering the forum here it is again:confused:
the forums are littered with this stuff. what I was saying there is so much info here on the subject all ready.


yes it looks defensive and I don't know why..
We can't get to know you better?

this is your story not mine you bought it up.
knowing more or less than you doesn't seem to matter to you, I give input and you come back with something like this stuff , if you don't want input why ask for it? ..you could have said Dan please don't reply because you irritate me and let it go ...what ever it is ? I don't ask questions that I won't expect to answer myself..how do we know what you know and be able to
help if you jump on someone, where, you in the first place didn't even say if you made knives or not? not even knowing how long? saying I've used SS is very vague.. and now you use SS and use HC steels. and sill have to ask? you did notice no one touched this tread at first with tact, there is a reason for that,, the place is littered with the same stuff. no you didn't litter it..
just so you don't twist that up..again..you are taking sh!t the wrong way Mike..no mater what you may think I'm not on your case



why? is it suppose to bother me? sorry it doesn't. it again just seems to be a bit defensive..
I'm not sure what all this has to do with the questions I've answered for you..

I ask the question because your SS blade don't seem to be working for you..you did say your think you may give it up right?
I'm done with this one for sure...

Rob I'm not even going to get into that with you

SS and non SS :D
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Well I can see that what I need to say to you is that you're right and can do no wrong!

Have a nice day.
 
mikxx1 said:
Well I can see that what I need to say to you is that you're right and can do no wrong!

Have a nice day.
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in one word,,, NO
I'm wrong a lot, just ask anyone here..:)
dang loosen up some :rolleyes:
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This crap is exactly why I very rarely come to BF any more. It's full of it. Too many chips on the shoulders!!! Any one here want to make knives?
 
mlovett said:
This crap is exactly why I very rarely come to BF any more. It's full of it. Too many chips on the shoulders!!! Any one here want to make knives?
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Any one here want to make knives?
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making every day and wouldn't have it any other way..:)
not sure about that chip thing but there sure are a lot of newbee's around.........:D
still a lot of good info to be had..
where have you been hanging at anyway? :confused:

to stay on topic , I think SS is pretty big with first and one time buyers because of the rust factor. I had a customer buy a 440C blade from me about 7 years ago,,
(BTW it was the last one I made in 440c too.) he bought a Randall before it and it rusted, he wasn't aware it wasn't SS he was very upset about it... so that needs to be conveyed when one is sold..of course most makers know that but again a big name like Randall didn't tell him:eek: ..at least that's what he told me..so we just don't know things until we ask.
 
We hardly ever have people on here that like to flame or fume, thats what I like about this side of the forum fence. I get along better here than with my own family!

Most of the hunting knives I make are stainless. They like them because they dont rust and hold a good edge. Most of the high end knives I make are damascus carbon steel and they also hold a good edge but seldom get used because refinishing is a pain. I ask the customer how they are going to take care of it and make suggestions based on their answer.

I like them both
 
I read an interview of Bob Loveless several years ago in Blade Magazine (or was it Knives Illustrated?) and he mentioned that O1 would hold an edge as well as or better than any other steel available, but that his customers didn't want to be bothereed by the maintenance needed to keep a carbon steel blade in its best shape. This was before the prominence of the CPM steels. I have found this to be true in most usage, myself. The stainless steels with a high vanadium content seem to hold an edge extremely well from my experience, and I will continue to use them for knives that might not recieve the maintenance necessary for a carbon steel knife, but have experienced too many edge chips from contacting hard surfaces such as bone to prefer stainless for the knives I make.

For Dan Grey: I make about 30 knives a year out of both carbon steels and stainlesss steels. I don't have a website, because I do not take orders. I am, fortunately, able to move all of my knives without internet advertising. I have been making knives for about 5 years and have used stainless for about half of my production for the last 1 1\2 years, all treated by Bos, except one by Roger. I test at least one blade out of every bar of steel I use to destruction, and am very sure of my testing results. I will personally use and recommend nonstainless carbon steels for most applications because of my testing practices. I'm not familiar with most toughness charts or Charpy C-notch testing results, and do not involve myself in most of the petty steel type squabbles here. My feelings and recommendations are based mostly on my testing results, and the results of those whom I respect.

Todd
 
Well said Todd, I read the same artical and remember the quote by Loveless.
I guess we all need to get on here and let Dan know how many knives we make, why and where we sell them ect. ect. ect.:p :p :p :p :p

Dan you really did jump all over the guy who started this thread for reasons I didn't see. :o
 
Darned if I'll ever give a "general" answer again. (yes I will)
On a serious note,this thread shows how far afield it can drift.The question wasn't about what you use or how many knives you make,or your web site,or who can piss farther,or anything .All he asked was what attributes stainless had and what carbon steel had,and if anything made stainless outstanding.
Now,everyone run six laps and hit the showers! - Stacy
 
Stacy is very right. I apologize for highjacking this thread and not answering the questions, and I would also like to apologize to Dan, as I see that my post makes me look like an a$$hole towards him, and I certainly didn't mean that. I only meant to qualify my answer with my experience. Sorry Dan! :(

From my experience, the main advantage that stainless steels have over carbon steels is the ability to resist rusting. This rust resistence can also lead to an advantage in edge holding in some situations. In others, the toughness of a properly heattreated blade of carbon steel will give it the advantage in edge holding. It all depends on the situation.

Todd
 
well thanks guys, I think:confused: :D
for what it's worth I wasn't out to get Mike or something dastardly like that.
I did think I answered the question aptly as my opinion and wasn't sure why the come back I got..

but as you all know my way of typing is not the very best in explaining myself..
Mike it does look like you took most of what I said
the wrong way at least the way it was meant, in a good light of things but as we can see it can get out of hand fast, just because I don't get that tone in typing it out as we get talking face to face/
, I can be here laughing about what I type and who ever reads
it take it as , dang what an a$$-hole,
so you see, my typing has something to be desired.
for a while there I thought you might have an engineering degree or something:rolleyes: :D :D :foot: I'm sure you guys
know where that came from...and that was meant in fun..:)
Mike
you may not believe it but I asked those questions because I did want to know more about you, you can believe it or not, it wasn't to rub you the wrong way..as I said I don't know you or how much you knew and in not knowing,
some of my answers brought out hey you do know something, as I said you were very vague by just saying "I have used SS"..can you see where I'm coming from?
I have guys new to the trade email me all the time so I need to know what they know to keep from running over the same stuff all the time..and I understand that you didn't know that..
I only mean to help not be an ass, those that I have met , at blade, hammer inns friends and buddies at makers shops I'm sure can tell you I'm not any more than a fun loving knife making bone head at most..
I'd say more but it'll take me another 3 hours to type it:( so I'll leave it at that, an hope I explained myself better if not, come on down and we'll have a beer I'll rip your shoe off and tickle your foot until you say uncle:D

Todd
all I can say is get a dam web site :D
 
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