StarMate and Military

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FullerH

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In a discussion with a gentleman the other day, he commented that he was not impressed with either of the above since they did not have full liners. I have since considered this and have come to the conclusion that the objection is, at best, a theoretical one. I can see that, if the G-10 scales were not as strong as they are in reality, then full liners, as in the REKATs wuld, indeed, be necessary, but it seem rather like the continuing requirement that soldiers have good teeth so that they can bite the paper cartridge when loading their muzzle-loaders. Perhaps once necessay but no longer needed. Before strong scale material, liners were needed, but no longer. What say the rest of you?

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
 
Hugh, I have to agree. I have done a lot of work with G10; the stuff is extremely strong. The only reason I tend to favor two liners is purely aesthetic; I lean towards symmetry. Functionally, though, the weight and cost savings makes one liner with G10 scales the intelligent way to make a knife.
 
when i first saw the military, i was quite skeptical. however, i have handled a number and used two personally. they are a rock-solid folder than no one needs to worry about. the benefits in lighter weight, and thickness far outweigh the supposed weaknesses of the design.
 
Hi guys (and gals
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), I don't mind the G10 grips with only a liner on one side.
But what I would like to hear are comments on both the Starmate and Military when COMPARED with each other.
I just met a person that had a Starmate and I liked the model, grip, weight and blade line, it makes a nice blade to skin with.
I never ever have had the opportunity to hold a Military.
Please advise between these two.

Cheers, Bagheera
 
I have found when you have a Military you want a Starmate and when you have a Starmate you want a Military.

There is no use comparing them just get both!!!!!

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Later,
John

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Skeleton walks into a bar and and says "give me a beer and a mop."
 
Bagheera- I spent some time at the SFO today and had the opportunity to compare both knives, the Starmate just feels better in my hand than the Military, so that's what came home with me.
As far as not having a full liner, you could probably break either of these if you were using them to change a tire, short of that they seem plenty strong to me.
 
Uh oh, I'm gonna get it.
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The Military is a better utility knife, and the Wegner is a better skinner. The main thing that the Starmate has going for it is that it looks cool. So my recommmendation is: buy all three.
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Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
 
OK Everyone......Jump the wookie

Oops, I mean Ewok...

I think you forgot the eccentric pivot, 440V steel, improved linerlock ramp, and slim profile and weight when you focused only on the Starmate's beauty. Which to me is a function of its design and Spyderco's execution, both impeccable on my #664
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I seem to recall this single liner question being addressed by Sal in an earlier thread. Evidently, Spyderco has tested their single liners quite thoughly and found them to be as strong or stronger than the competition`s full liners. They also have the advantage of being thinner and lighter.

Maybe Sal could repost some of that liner testing data.

 
Originally posted by Chinook:
I think you forgot the eccentric pivot, 440V steel, improved linerlock ramp, and slim profile and weight when you focused only on the Starmate's beauty.
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Yeah, but the Military also has all that.

Which to me is a function of its design and Spyderco's execution, both impeccable on my #664
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#407 looks pretty cool, too.
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Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
 
.....the Weg don't.... not yet anyway
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I'm content to wait for Tim's reincarnation.
Secure in that I only have skinned my shins once this year.

Will be in position to "need" a skinner by next hunting season. If all goes as planned.


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Later,
John

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Skeleton walks into a bar and and says "give me a beer and a mop."

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Well FWIW,
I was a bit skeptical when I first bought my Military, with the single liner and all, but, after using it and finding that it is a hell-for-stout folder sans dual steel liners, I am hopelessly sold on the concept.
Now, I have:
Military
Starmate
Wegner
G10 Police
and am very pleased with each and every one.
As a matter of fact, the Starmate and Military are in my pocket more than any of my other regular carry folders nowadays, including my Carnivour.
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I can't help it. The overall quality and features on the Spyderco's just MAKES you want to carry them. Go figure...

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So, what IS the speed of dark?
 
As one who owns both, I prefer the StarMate mostly for aesthetic reasons, but then I also own and like the original Terzuola/Spyderco C15 Clipit which many describe as ugly. Beauty is, after all, in the eye of the beholder. As my hands are not so large, the StarMate does fit somewhat better, but it is marginal. I will say that the Military does tend to, ah, impress folks, even if that is not my intention.

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
 
Misque, dark, being the absence of light eould have the same speed as light, which I currently forget. Any physics majors out there?

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
 
I would say that the dark has no speed, because it cannot travel. Light is made of photons, while the dark is not made of anything substantial.

However, if darkness must exist within space, then it travels at the same "speed" that our universe expands. I guess you could say though that the dark can exist outside of space/time. In that case, I would have no idea what the speed of the dark would be. The laws of our universe obviously don't apply outside of our universe, so who knows?

Anyways, I agree that the idea of sans liners does not equal sans strength. FullerH hit the nail on the head when he talked about the requirements of older knives. The scale material that used be used was fragile and metal liners were necessary. However, G-10 is extremely strong stuff and modern knives don't need those thick liners.

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What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain? - Blake
 
Actually your are both right.

Dark is the absence of light and thus is created by the presence of light. I think we can all agree that if there was no light there could be no dark. What I am trying to say is... Dark has no speed, and speed which it might have is simply directly proportional to the speed at which light is moving into, or out of it and thus the speed of dark is the same as the speed of light; 299,726 kilometers per second.

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Later,
John

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Skeleton walks into a bar and and says "give me a beer and a mop."
 
I'm sold on the viability of a single liner. I've tried hard enough to "test" my single lined handles, and never managed to do more than compress the linerless scale a barely noticeable smidge.

I do like a full liner on the locking side better than the leaf lock, but it's really an aesthetic thing to me.
 
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