Starmate: My Take (Long)

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I bought the Starmate for my 14th anniversary present for myself (to myself, by myself). (Yes, yet another shameless excuse.) Mine is a plain edge model (#503). What impressed me first about this knife was its size: it's a big, robust knife. Although I read and knew its dimension, having the original aluminum Terzuola, I was expecting it to look and feel about the same. Was I wrong. Its blade is beautifully ground: grind lines are fluid and clean. Reminds me of a certain type of Japanese "tanken's" grind line in its visual appeal. Quite different from the old Terzuola, which was quite ugly.

I was surprised to see the evolution of its liner (or leaf) lock. Most of the leaf is embedded in the G10 scale, and only 1 1/4" of it is exposed for locking/unlocking access. Its concept is very similar to Microtech's. There will be no chance of accidental unlocking due to the meaty part of the fingers/palm pushing the liner while "white-knuckling."

What distinguishes this knife, aside from its beautiful grind line, is its CPM440V blade. Like most of you, I am quite accustomed to ATS-34 and what I can expect from it: I know how long it holds the edge and how sharp it gets when I sharpen it. This is my first encounter with 440V, and it's just unbelievable. You'll have to have it to appreciate what it does. The Starmate became my daily carry knife because of this blade and its performance. -- One more note on the grind line before I leave this topic. It is ground from a very thick stock: it's well over 1/8" thick in its spine, whereas most other knives of this caliber uses the 1/8" stock. It is then deeply hollow ground to form a wickedly thin edge. The result is its stunning visual appearance: it begins as a pry bar at the spine and ends as a scalpel; thrilling visual roller coaster ride.

Some of you noted that its handle is not very comfortable. No, it doesn't have the most ergonomic handle design. I love the Police/Rookie handle. In fact, the Rookie is the most comfortable knife I've ever owned. The Calypso/Jr. handle looks very comfortable also. (I don't have them . . . yet.) I also like the AFCK handle. But the Starmate handle is pure Terzuola. You can't (alas!) compromise the design.

Sal, if you're reading this, here are some of my constructive criticism for design improvement:

1. The thumb ridges on the back of the blade: they fall slightly below the scale, so that they offer only a marginal traction. Either lower the scale or raise the back of the blade, or place them higher up the blade, as in the old Terzuola, so that the scale won't be in their way.

2. The hole: I would like to have it fluted for comfort. All of my old Spydercos' holes were fluted. The newer ones (my Rookie, CF Dragonfly, and Starmate) aren't. Is there a trend?

3. The clip: The new Military style clip mounted just under the pivot pin really defeats one of the strengths of the tip down carry, that is, the deep pocket concealment. As it is, it carries too high. If the pivot pin is no longer adjustable, then there is no reason to mount the clip under it. I personally prefer the tip up. (I loved the option I had in the old Terzuola.) The new reversible clip placed in the lanyard hole (a la the ‘98 models and the BF Native) would solve the screw placement (on the liner) problem.

4. The handle: No, I'm not requesting you to make it ergonomic. Just one modification. When it is in the closed position, a little corner awkwardly sticks out of the handle on the pivot pin side. Just a little imperfection, but annoys me.

In sum, the Starmate is a phenomenal knife. Following Jordan, Elway, and Gretzky, I'll officially retire my old Terzuola and carry the Starmate for the next 10 years.

 
Good review, just long enough!

Only criticism-now I have to get one, too!
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Thanks-

Daniel
 
Good review; My thoughts exactly. I've had my Starmate for a couple of weeks now and I'm still getting used to it. You are right about the difference from the old Bob T model except I rather like the look of the old one, It certainly sets it self apart from any other design and still is very functional.I've had my old one for several years now. I think it was one of the early G-10 models and I wouldn't trade it for any thing.

Ive just received my second Starmate. This time plain edge # 745. This one is a little different from the first. The fit and finish is nice and it is reasonably sharp,but the blade drags on the liner and there is so much tension that the rear top corner stuck out of the inset and almost touched the blade also. I carried it for a couple of days and finally decided to realign the liner.Everything works great now but boy is that assymetrical pivot a joy to adjust. Once the blade is set it won't close because of the blade stop. The trick is to balance the liner position to the tip height in the rear of the handle to the blade stop clearance when the blade is closing.About an half hour job the first time. Next time I'll be ready for it.I'm glad that I didn't send it in, because now I know what the neat engineering of the pivot looks like.This is a long way from the old bolt and nut days.


lbwheat

[This message has been edited by lbwheat (edited 26 July 1999).]
 
Slowjocrow,

I concur with most everything you posted. Some of the nits about ergonomics or handle haven't bothered me. I really like my StarMate to the point where I've come to prefer it over the Military by an extremely slim margin. That, from my knothole, is saying a heck of a lot
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-=[Bob]=-
 
Thanks guys for nice comments.

Bob, wow, what a statement! Knowing how much you loved your Military, I thought I would never get this out of you!

So what do we have here now? Not the Military Men, but the Starmate Mates?
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sjc
 
I just ordered mine in plain edge.

I hope I like it as much as you all. It sure has nice looks to it. I'm really anxious to see what this 440v steel is like for myself. It is going to be my first knife in g-10 too, and my first liner-lock.

Now I must play the waiting game.
 
Slow,
Just wanted to tell you that I thought your review was right on the money and well done. I actually learned a lot from your thread. Thanks.

Folks: This knife is a winner!
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~Greg~


 
Greg,

Your kind words are appreciated. I've only had it for about three weeks now. When I get to know it a little better, I'd like to comment on its edge holding ability, sharpen-ability, as well as the performance of its edge geometry in much more detail.

SharpCdn,

Don't expect to fall in love with it when you open the box. I didn't. (I was a little disappointed that I didn't get blown away with excitement, to be honest.) Starmate is a type of knife that keeps growing on you as you carry it and use it on a daily basis. I am very fickle when it comes to knives: my bed-side stand is covered with variety of them, and I constantly cycle them depending on my whimsical mood. However, ever since I bought it, I find myself reaching for my Starmate at the exclusion of all the others! More I use it, more I come to love its subtleties of design.

sjc
 
Its here! My Starmate is finally here. I got it in plain edge (#491).

It arrived today, it is even nicer than I had anticipated. I love it.

My daily carry for the last 10 years has been my Endura, now when I hold it, it seems so cheap and flimsy (it is not though). My Endura has served me well for a very long time, but I'm afraid it has been replaced. The Starmate will travel with me from now on.

I was concerned about the ergonomics of the handle after reading the review. I've been handling it for a couple hours, and I cannot find anything uncomfortable about the grip. I find it quite comfortable actually.

I will concur however on the issue with the clip. I find that the knife doesn't sit as low in my jeans as my Endura, I personally prefer tip up carry. I will adjust.However, inside the waistband of my shorts the Starmate is much more comfortable. I would like to get a black clip someday if they are ever available, it would make it less conspicuous. And I hope the markings on the blade wear off soon, I prefer very plain looking stuff. But these are just my own petty preferences.

I love this knife. It is S-H-A-R-P.
 
Solo,

I ordered mine from ADaM Sharp's Cutlery in Canada. I paid $160 Cdn which is about $100 in US dollars. Great service, very quick. I highly recomend them.
 
I got mine from Skylands (www.skylandscutlery.com). But looks like they're out now. Knifecenter's price was better, but they're also out of stock. While browsing the Knifecenter site, I saw them having the J.D. Smith in stock! Alas, after experiencing the Starmate's 440V, I can never buy another ATS34 bladed knife!
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sjc
 
Ordered mine yesterday from Chai Cutlery @ $120. Decided that the Lum isn't going to exist (outside of certain manufacturing facilities in Boulder) for quite a while...
 
Slowjocrow,

Excellent review! I love your real world applications and tests. Thanks!

AJ
 
Slowjocrow,

Excellent review! I love your real world applications and tests. Thanks!

AJ
 
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