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i am looking to start a knife and tool sharpening business and i was wondering from all the others on here who do that professionally how did you start your business my method of sharpening is on a glass disc grinder and then on japanese water stones then strop my knives are so sharp they can cut a tomato in half on the drop test do you think their is a liable market out their for this type of business?

thanks in advance , mike
 
There is a fellow locally who sharpens knives, saws, and such. He has a truck with all his very specialized equipment in side. Instead of going door to door for individuals, he has drop off places he stops at .For resteraunts he stops every so many weeks. He has created a great business. Frank
 
Your idea is valid. Your grammar, punctuation, spelling and syntax are atrocious.

If you want to provide high-end services to professionals who both want it, and can afford it, they will expect you to communicate at higher than a 4th-grade level.
 
Your idea is valid. Your grammar, punctuation, spelling and syntax are atrocious.

If you want to provide high-end services to professionals who both want it, and can afford it, they will expect you to communicate at higher than a 4th-grade level.

Harsh but true. If you lack these skills you can always use Microsoft Word as a quick spelling and grammar check.
 
i am looking to start a knife and tool sharpening business

I'm in a rural area and have been thinking about having a combination knife sharpening and selling table at the local farmers' markets. Basically the idea is to combine sharpening for the locals with maritime, fishing and other knives primarily for the folks over from the greater Seattle area. Finding and filling existing demand is the key to a successful business. I'm a retired business owner and CPA.
 
Your idea is valid. Your grammar, punctuation, spelling and syntax are atrocious.

If you want to provide high-end services to professionals who both want it, and can afford it, they will expect you to communicate at higher than a 4th-grade level.

I have been around here long enough to remember when you had a small sense of humility.

Reading that post, you obviously jumped that gate. You should find Mike and kick his ass for expressing himself in the way he feels comfortable. Bring that man up to your standards, buddy.

Quote Originally Posted by Samael 10/18/2011 at 7:21 pm:
However, being ignorant and bringing a "Mr. Know-It-All" attitude to the party will get your balls busted faster than anything around here.

Remember that? Probably not. But you responded on 10/18/2011 at 7:47 pm:

Quoted because I learned it the hard way. With a continuing diet of humble pie and an occasional cup of STFU, I am slowly wiring my virtual jaw shut and ratcheting open my think-hole. Learn from my mistakes :)

Where did that guy go? The one that used to tell the folks here how helpful they were, and how thankful he was for their help...

Hard to believe that was just a few months ago.

Don't take my word for it. Name of the thread? "Thread: Go South till ya smell it. Take a left when you step in it. Warning Dumbasses Inside."

That sentiment may be appropriate here, too.

I hope in you continue to let the rest of us post on the forum with you, Terrio. Or at the least see if the old James is around and interested in coming back.

Don't worry, Mike. Not all are as learned and erudite as others. We continue to express ourselves using language and speech patterns that are familiar to us, doing the best we can.

I have met two different individuals with a knife and scissor sharpening business, but their level of education and fluency of correct, written expression was not made available to me. They seemed happy, but I may not be intelligent enough to discern the linguistic nuances that would belie intentional or unintentional deception concerning their overall state of being.

Both ran their businesses out of a converted mail truck. One had a large shop built sanding belt rig that he built himself. He sharpened large knives and machetes o this rig using different belts, grits and polishes. He put a convex edge on the larger knives by using he slack area of the rig, and a more traditional "V" bevel edge using the platen. He had a smaller 1" X 42" sander for smaller knives and scissors. He had a few hones, and some extra fine emory cloth, but not much more. He catered to restaurants, and he sharpened from his truck because he told me that the chefs that had really expensive knives didn't want them out of their sight. He told me he had enough work to make a fair living, but not get rich. He also told me it was steady, which was great.

The other guy I met was someone that was sharpening scissors at the place I get my hair cut. Different sharpening system, but he was a whiz at sharpening scissors. He did some knives, but told me he made more money with scissors, so that was his bread and butter. While he didn't tell me this personally, he told the guy that cuts my hair he did very well. I guess so; when the guy took out the box of scissors to be sharpened, it had about 25 pairs of scissors in it. Depending on the size, he told me he charged anywhere from $3.50 to $5.00 for scissors/shears. He told me that it would take him a little over an hour to disassemble, clean, sharpen and reassemble all of them. Not bad earnings for an hour.

Both told me the same thing. You need to be patient to build the business, and always put a perfect edge on the knife/shears. If you do something bad to a knife, be prepared to buy it, and likewise with the shears. As with all businesses, this particular one is built on speed and accuracy. If it takes you 30 minutes (or more) to get a knife up to par on your current set up, you will starve at a .75 or $1.00 an inch. Additionally, I don't know that you will have a good shot at success when starting out if you don't advertise yourself as a sharpening service.

Although both of the sharpening guys I met had their preferences, they would (and could) sharpen anything.

Robert
 
I'm in a rural area and have been thinking about having a combination knife sharpening and selling table at the local farmers' markets. Basically the idea is to combine sharpening for the locals with maritime, fishing and other knives primarily for the folks over from the greater Seattle area. Finding and filling existing demand is the key to a successful business. I'm a retired business owner and CPA.

MB - we have about 15 gun shows a month here, and two different, large "home" shows here every year. At every show I have ever been to for years, there have been these two guys that sharpen knives. They have a homemade slack belt set up, a buffer setup, and a paper wheel setup. They charge $5 for any single blade knife, fixed or folding. They charge an additional fee for extra blades or for anything really unusual like a heavy, strange recurve or some of the new strange serration patterns that they sharpen by hand.

Those guys are always busy, and according to them they have many, many repeat customers that seek them out at the shows. They will also give you a card to let you know where to drop knives off to be sharpened. Their drop off location happens to be store of some sort belonging to one of their friends.

They specialize in mirror finished, shaving sharp edges, and buff up the blades a bit before sharpening to improve their appearance. They seem to be doing quite well for two guys. I know when deer season is getting ready to start, they have so many customers that you have to leave your knives at their table and they give you a receipt tag to come back by later in the day to get your knife.

If I had a chance to create that kind of niche/needed service that didn't have a lot of competition, I would strongly consider it.

Robert
 
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James-I think of you as a helpful type of guy but honestly your post was disrespectful and not helpful at all. If the OP can make my knife sharp....which he says he can, why do we need "smart" guys in the room to grade style points?

OP: I think the best advice is to do a truly excellent job and to look for the obvious customers: restaurants, industrial etc.

As a somewhat new business owner I'd recommend to keep track of your expenses to the last buck!
 
I was in a speciality cooking shop the other day looking at the factory competitors, the shop used a motorized grinder to sharpen their customers knives. There was grinding dust below the machine, this was just wasting the blade they just payed over $200 for. If I was going to do a sharpening business I would talk to these places and see if you could get them to direct their customers to you, I think everyone would be happier.

Reading the other posts I thought of something else, the owner of a local knife shop now sharpens knives at farmers markets in the area while his wife watches the shop, word is the sharpening makes more money than the shop. We have a farmers market about every day somewhere in the area.

Good luck
 
As far as the spelling comments.... If a guy can get my knife crazy sharp I personally don't care if "he aint got no gud spelling skills or grammur" if a person does quality work they do quality work. That's my only concern. I would rather buy a well made knife from a sooty, greasy, homeless looking guy, than buy an average knife from a guy in a suit, but maybe that's just me.
 
While not expressed as politely as possible, James is right about the fact that how you communicate will often dictate how you are treated in the business world. If your primary customer base is shows oriented toward gun and knife folks then you can let it slide a bit. If you plan to focus on the B2B side of things then you need to give presentation careful consideration. Personally, from a long term point of view, B2B is nicer than the shows, but the shows are probably more profit for the time spent as long as they are fairly local. B2B is generally more stable as long as you have a decent collection of clients and keep them happy. Remember, keeping the customer happy is not 100% sharp knives, probably not even 25% when it comes to a business. The knife has to be sharp, but they're just as concerned with the financials, record keeping, scheduling and in many cases the boss's impression of you. If he thinks poorly of you he's likely to look elsewhere even if you do a better job than anyone else around.
 
I stand by my sentiments about professionalism and communication skills. However...

I have been around here long enough to remember when you had a small sense of humility.

You're right, my post was hasty and disrespectful. That right there is an example of poor communication skills! I came off as an arrogant jackass. I worded it far too harshly and I regret that, and I apologize for it.

I say again, learn from my mistakes.
 
I was self employed in high school and college and it was always a shock catching up with the SS and Medicare taxes at the end of each year. I would advise you to get in the habit of making quarterly estimated tax payments and filing a Schedule C as part of your annual tax return even if you are making little or nothing. After 3 years a tax return is extremely unlikely to be audited, but if you haven't filed anything when the IRS notices you they can go back decades.

I had a software business on the side years ago which was paying for my computer equipment and allowing me to deduct it. I made sure I had a taxable profit every third year on my Schedule C so that I wouldn't set off any alarms at the IRS.
 
I stand by my sentiments about professionalism and communication skills. However...



You're right, my post was hasty and disrespectful. That right there is an example of poor communication skills! I came off as an arrogant jackass. I worded it far too harshly and I regret that, and I apologize for it.

I say again, learn from my mistakes.

I believe the nature of your post, albeit harsh, was to truly help the OP, not belittle him.
 
I checked out some of the high end sharpening equipment and costs were @ $7k. There is a gentleman that uses this type of equipment and business is good at the shows he is at. I'd guess someone wanting to follow his path has at least $10k in startup costs. He has his equipment set up so clients can watch him sharpen their knives and the wet grinder means he doesn't have to deal with sparks. It takes him less than 5 minutes to sharpen a 3" blade, so his gross, when he is sharpening, is about $60 per hour. Every time I saw him, his wife was helping him out, with orders, and he was advertising for business. I understand that $10k is likely at the high end of startup costs and you probably wouldn't need a helper but this gentleman is still advertising for clients. It seems to be a tight market. To make a living you would need to bevel and sharpen as many different tools as possible. Straight razors to mower blades. Garden implements to barber shears and knives.
I'd guess the equipmnet you have is too slow and too specialized to allow you the customer base to make a good living. Check the woodworking stores in your area to see if there is a need along with hair stylists.
 
this may have been covered, but try not to forget about your local butchers or grocery store with butcher counters in them. I worked in a grocery store with a butcher counter for a few years, and while those guys did sharpen their own knives, most of them werent very good at it and most of the time their knives werent very sharp. I started sharpening the knives for them for my own personal fun and practice. they got so used to a knife that is actually sharp they hired a sharpening service after I quit the job to move on. ( I know this because I was friends with a couple of those dudes). I guess my point is to look for work everywhere, and maybe be prepared to sharpen a couple knives for free to demonstrate your abilities and make believers out of people.

I think its a great idea BTW,, and good luck!
 
I sharpen my knives on DMT duosharp 10" benchstones, hone on a 8" ultrafine Spyderco benchstone, and strop on a KnivesPlus stropblok. The other day, I reprofiled and sharpened a kitchen knife for a friend. The reprofiling on the DMT diamonds went relatively quickly, but the knife was pretty banged up and had chips when I started. Now it is a beautiful, functional, scary sharp edge that I'm very proud of (and that my friend is absolutely blown away by).

But in a word: it would *not* be worth my time to sharpen knives for people at a price they would be willing to pay, not the way I do it, anyway. It's just too much work. If I cut corners, used some power tools, and put a less-refined edge on, then maybe. But I'm a perfectionist, so shoot me. :D
 
Just curious here, whats spelling and punctuation have to do with the ability of sharpening a knife???

Nothing but the reason behind the punctuation comment has been explained.
James has apologized for being to harsh in stating it and hopefully the OP will understand his heart was in the right place and accept the apology.
So how about we move on and stay on the OP's original question so that this doesn't derail as it sadly sometimes does?
 
Specialized skills accompanied by a friendly smile can make you money most places. Acquiring a good reputation across your market area should be the goal. Once you have the rep the business will come to you. Your well satisfied customers will recommend you to their friends and their friends and so on.
There is money in sharpening scissors and cutting shears. Hair dressers can spend 800 or a 1,000 dollars for a pair of quality scissors. They do not want to turn just anyone lose on them.

Are you grinding on a horizontal circular disc. Whats your power set up?

Even though James comment was not well constructed, his point is right on. People want to employ the complete package; dress communication and skill.

Good luck, Fred
 
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