Starting a Traditional Venture

Rough rider half whittler (not a single blade)
GEC 72 wharncliffe
Copperlock
Mini copperlock and mini wharncliffe trapper
Single bladed trapper and the oxygen cadet have been my favorite knives to date.



I started on moderns as well but instantly fell enamored with the easy going way of traditionals and how carefree it is to carry them, throw one in the pocket and you are good.

I don't have to worry if a cop will stop me bc I have a clip sticking out of my pocket.
 
@neal70 the #47 is right high on the list of contenders. I have never seen the SAK Florist. For the price it would be a good learning knife and beater knife while working. The Florist is going to also be right high on the list too. Might to to pick it up anyway for a learning/beater knife.

@captaino the Texas Jack looks right nice. Do you know if they make any other blade styles than the clip point?

@cchu518 how is the quality control on the rough riders? Looked at the copperlocks a couple times. I've had my eye on the trappers for a while now still on the list contending for a spot. Would make a good knife for cleaning squirrels it seems. Do you live where cops frown upon knives clipped to pocket? I'm in NC and never had one give me a second thought even with the PM2 in my pocket


That brings another point to mind. I will be cleaning some squirrels from time to time with the knife and maybe some whittling if I ever get the time.


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@neal70 the #47 is right high on the list of contenders. I have never seen the SAK Florist. For the price it would be a good learning knife and beater knife while working. The Florist is going to also be right high on the list too. Might to to pick it up anyway for a learning/beater knife.

@captaino the Texas Jack looks right nice. Do you know if they make any other blade styles than the clip point?

@cchu518 how is the quality control on the rough riders? Looked at the copperlocks a couple times. I've had my eye on the trappers for a while now still on the list contending for a spot. Would make a good knife for cleaning squirrels it seems. Do you live where cops frown upon knives clipped to pocket? I'm in NC and never had one give me a second thought even with the PM2 in my pocket


That brings another point to mind. I will be cleaning some squirrels from time to time with the knife and maybe some whittling if I ever get the time.


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The rough riders depending on the pattern go from fantastic to just ok.

The whittler for me is one the top values for me. I've purchased 4, lost one had to get another and given two as gifts. I gave the last one away as I would prefer it over my other slippies in that size. But all in all these are my favorite traditionals in any price range!
 
@cchu518 thanks for the quick review on the rough riders. Sounds like they are fairly decent knives for the money

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Unless you're absolutely certain what slippy you want to EDC, I'd suggest a Rough Rider for starters. They're not GEC or Case, but they're worth the money you spend, and if you don't like it, you have money left for plan B. If you do like it, then you can spring for a better one.

I think the suggestion for a RR half hawk was a good one. I've seen some of those for as low as $13.

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The RR dog leg jack and armor hide series are also very popular with the forumites!

PS the thin blades of the RR series can be terribly sharp! Here's evidence, the scary you see is all that's left of a pumpkin carving accident. I misjudged how easily the armor hide mini barlow could go through a thick skinned pumpkin.

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Case sodbuster jr. comes to mind. I found a deal on one in a big home improvement store recently.

I also really like the SAK Bantam. Super thin, with a main blade and a caplifter. It literally disappears in your pocket

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I'm going to add my vote to experimenting with different patterns from inexpensive sources till you find the few patterns that really work for you. Once you narrow down your target (may take a year or five), it makes more sense to start dropping larger dollars on grails.

Couple of thoughts....

PRICE, VALUE AND PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP - IMO, modern tacticals are like high-end bicycles or high end stereos with massive price tags associated with super materials that offer very little (if any) real additional value to the use experience. I've been riding expensive bikes my entire adult life and I can't really feel much difference between a $1000 bike and a $10,000 bike. With modern knives, the conversation doesn't even start (over in the General forum) until the price gets up in the $100 range and in the Traditional forum, that's a pretty expensive knife. The main factor is that blades tend to be made from traditional steels like 1095 or 420HC or 440C. Look at it this way.. nobody is going to call you a noob for carrying an inexpensive knife here.

BIG VARIATION IN PATTERNS - IMO, there is a much wider range of styles and patterns among traditionals than in modern knives. A pattern may look perfect in the warm blue glow of your browser's window and may feel entirely different in your hand and your pocket.

It took me more than 5 years after discovering this forum to settle on the basic shape of my preferences. The basics have stayed stable for me for quite some time, but it took me a lot of experimentation. I don't regret the experiments but I kept the costs low.

My most common carry. This tells you *NOTHING* about what will work for you. Experiment.
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@sabercat thank you for the advice. It makes sense to start less expensive until you find the style that suits you best. The half hawk looks right appealing for the price.

@cchu518 seems it went through that pumpkin like hot butter. What kind of angles do you sharpen your traditional edges to?

@onojoe the big home improvement stores around me (Lowe's) seems to only carry Buck and CRKT. The Bantam or maybe the Rally would be good to have with a cap lifter.

@pinnah seems like going with inexpensive until I find the pattern that best suits my needs may be the way to go. I think it may take a while but having such a great community to turn to for reviews, pics, or any info needed on different styles helps for sure. Your so correct on prices of modern folders. Seems like any decent modern folder hovers around that $100 mark. I can justify it if there is a good warranty or company behind it but looking at traditionals your can get some of your personal grails for that price range. Got a great community here on the Traditional side of things too. Looking forward to getting some in the mail and joining the porch with everyone else. Sounds like you put in your time to find the pattern that best suited you. If your experimenting it makes sense to keep costs low. Seems like Opinels are right popular for EDC carry. Thanks for all the thoughts on the subject too

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If you are willing to go outside just US made knives, take a look at the Boker line also. I would personally stick with the Tree Brand line made in Solingen, Germany though. This single blade Trapper was only a few dollars more than your limit and is available in 3 different colors of bone or cocobola covers. The print on the blade isn't for everyone, but it is a very well made and is a good choice for a single blade knife.

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A couple of other things to bear in mind as you experiment...

MODERN/TRADITIONAL PAIRINGS - There is a great thread in this group on 2 knife pairings. By far, the most common is what you describe -- a large modern folder backed up by a small traditional. My preference is for the reverse -- a large traditional single blade folder backed up by a small, modern mutlitool. Either way, you're drifting into the realm of multiple knife carry. Don't worry. This is a judgement free zone. Lots of us carry more than one.

CARRY METHOD - With modern knives, there is one standard way to carry and that is clipped to your front pocket. With traditionals, you need to think and experiment with other methods. The most common (I think) is to simply drop a small traditional pocket knife in your RFP where God intended them to be carried. But, if you already have a modern knife gnawing away at the fabric of your RFP, you may have trouble getting the traditional out. Another option is to move the small traditional to your LFP or if it's small enough, to your coin pocket if your pants has one. And yet another option is to move your large folder to a rear pocket. Some guys use rear pocket sheaths. I just sew a vertical seam up my jeans pockets for easy rear pocket carry. Lastly, you can move your large folder to your belt in a holster. Yes, there are still guys who carry folders in holsters. I raise the options of carry to point out that WHERE you carry is related to WHAT your carry. If you carry loose in a front pocket, you will likely find that thinner and lighter is generally better. If you carry in your coin pocket, there is a length limit. If you can cope with holster carry, your options increase to allow you to carry a brass brick if you want.

BLADE & TOOL USE - If your already carrying a large modern folder, you might thing more about what you want from a secondary carry in terms of use. You might not know yet and that's what the experimentation is for. If you are creeped out by germs or if you regularly dunk your work knife in hazardous materials, you might want a traditional that you can use for food, like cutting a sub sandwhich or cutting an apple. If you want to whittle, you likely want at least one shorter pen or sheepsfoot/wharncliff type blade. Do you want a cap lifter? The beer scouts might be worth looking at. Do you want scissors? The small SAKs or the Case Peanut with scissors might be a good option. The old Camillus Cub Scout will give you an awl and a cap lifter in a small package.

Hope this helps.
 
@dannyp I have been eyeing Boker knives since I started looking at traditional blades. I don't necessarily mind the print on the blade at all. Not something that would turn me off of a good knife. I like the looks of the Boker you have there in the picture. A little off topic but if you don't mind me asking what kind of rifle do you have there? Pic from maybe deer season?

@pinnah I'll most definitely be carrying multiple. For about the past month I've been carrying the PM2 along the the Classic SD SAK. I don't mind a little judging and some friendly fire every now then. The Buck Solo has just been thrown in my coin pocket for the last several days. Technically I guess I've been carrying 3 if you don't count the Spyderco Bug on my keys. If you do that makes 4. I usually forget about the bug so I never really count it. Kind of leaning toward carrying just a traditional when I'm not working and then carry a modern along side the traditional when I am. Scissors have never really been a must at all. Never used them on my Classic SD. Mainly carry it for the small blade and the tweezers. I carry a Shard in my LFP every day for multiple things but would like to replace it with something more traditional one of these days. All your info has helped tremendously.

I think I may place a small order today. Just to get some traditionals in my hands to start seeing what style fits me best. Been looking at the Rough Rider Half Hawk, Frost Cutlery Peanut in 440, and Rite Edge Miner (soddy). I know these are kinda cheap especially the Rite Edge but they are something for me just to try out and if I don't like one it will likely be given away as a gift to someone who needs it worse than myself. What do y'all think of starting off with these to see how I like the styles?

The others on my list are the GEC #47, Case Mini Trapper (BeerTrap), Victorinox Rally, Opinel #6 or #7, Case Peanut, & Victorinox Gardener

The maybe list. Victorinox bantam, Case Sodbuster, Boker Tree Brand Hunter w/single blade.

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@dannyp I have been eyeing Boker knives since I started looking at traditional blades. I don't necessarily mind the print on the blade at all. Not something that would turn me off of a good knife. I like the looks of the Boker you have there in the picture. A little off topic but if you don't mind me asking what kind of rifle do you have there? Pic from maybe deer season?

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It was taken during deer season. I originally posted it in the Huntin With Your Traditional Knives thread. I'm guessing that you were viewing from a small screen since the model and caliber are on the barrel just above and below the knife?:p:D It's a Glenfield 30A .30-30 and still has the Marlin branded fixed 4x scope that came with it.

What I like about this Boker single blade Trapper is that even though it's a larger knife at 4 1/8" closed, it is still fairly slim which makes it carry well for it's size. They also do a good job with the color of the bone and mine has very good fit and finish. A Case Slimline Trapper or a Queen #11 Utility would be a similarly sized option for those brands.
 
@dannyp I was looking at it via my phone. I saw it well on my laptop after you pointed it out. Just tried on my phone and had to zoom way in to get a good look at it. I could swear my eye sight is slipping but hoping I got a while left of looking down the sights with no contacts. Very nice rifle/scope combo though. Bet she shoots like a dream. The bone on the Boker does look very well done. I've put Boker on the list for sure. Been looking hard at some queen knives also. Trying to put some on the board for when I get later down the road buying some nicer knives or possibly some grails.

I finally pulled the trigger on the RR Half Hawk, Frost Cutlery Peanut, and Rite Edge Miner. Just to get some traditionals in my hands to see how each pattern looks and which one or ones I may be sticking with. Hoping to have some good experiences with these.

Anyone got any preference to what angle they sharpen their traditionals? Maybe somewhere around that 25-30° mark on each side? My grandfather always sharpened his Case Mini Blackhorn by hand on a coarse/fine bench stone. His last EDC knife is pictured below. It's one that will never leave the collection.

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Gec 72 wharncliffe, if you can find one. And some pics of a mini copperlock and mini trapper for size reference.

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@cchu518 that #72 looks really nice. I like the lanyard hole some of the GEC knives have. Make it easier to get out of the pocket. I do like having a slip versus a locking traditional.

Got a mail call this morning. Sorry for the quality of the pics. I'll try to get some better ones this evening. Got these to experiment with and see which style I like.

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252chevyboyz- I would say that something like a clip on your peanut, or the trailing point on your soddie will work lots better for skinning squirrels, at a guess. I'm not a hunter myself, but straight blades with a rounded over tip aren't really made for hunting, to the best of my knowledge, which is pretty small according to the wife. Seems I might have read about a wharncliffe being used for caping, so I dk. Kinda squirrel do you have there? We've got red and black, but I can't recall if the black is a random mutation or a different species. Bails and lanyard holes are great help in retrieving a traditional, I also use a pocket "hanger" or hook to suspend mine. It keeps them from getting lost at the bottom of my pockets. Victorinox and an outfit called "tec accessories" make some good ones, but me being, ahem, financially challenged, make mine out of the little hooks you nail in the wall to suspend pictures from. Good luck and have fun.
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Reason I was asking about cleaning squirrels was my Tahoe got stolen Dec 21st and my CRKT "Clever Girl" and my favorite Case Mako were in the truck. They both went missing after I got it back and salvaged what I could from the inside. A lot more went missing than that but that's another topic. I've got to pick up another skinning knife in both fixed and folder. My Clever Girl was by far the best skinning knife for large game then the Case Mako was just sentimental since my father gave it to me.

We have Grey Squirrels and Fox Squirrels here in East NC mostly. I think the western part of the state in the mountains might have Red Squirrels too. I'm looking forward to another stew this winter.

That is a great idea using pic hangers as clips. I've been eye balling the clips from Tec Accessories. Just haven't pulled the trigger yet. Thank you for the tip on that.

-Rick

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@neal70

Reason I was asking about cleaning squirrels was my Tahoe got stolen Dec 21st and my CRKT "Clever Girl" and my favorite Case Mako were in the truck. They both went missing after I got it back and salvaged what I could from the inside. A lot more went missing than that but that's another topic. I've got to pick up another skinning knife in both fixed and folder. My Clever Girl was by far the best skinning knife for large game then the Case Mako was just sentimental since my father gave it to me.

We have Grey Squirrels and Fox Squirrels here in East NC mostly. I think the western part of the state in the mountains might have Red Squirrels too. I'm looking forward to another stew this winter.

That is a great idea using pic hangers as clips. I've been eye balling the clips from Tec Accessories. Just haven't pulled the trigger yet. Thank you for the tip on that.

-Rick

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Hey Rick, you should update your settings so as members can email you. If you would like to email me, you can find a link by clicking my username... I may have something you might just be interested in.
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It has been changed. I tried sending you a message but it said I didn't have permission to do so. You can try to send one my way.

-Rick

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