Statement from CS of VG-1

[SpyderJon]

You will feel better about yourself and your posts as you increase your knowledge of knives. I started out just asking questions and making observations about knives I owned. I'm sure in time we will all look forward to your posts and the contributions you make here.

Maybe I’m just tired, but I haven’t seen such condescending BS in a LONG time. What makes you think the guy hasn’t done his homework and discovered that as comfortable as YOU are buying CS’s stuff, HE’S not? Also, people aren’t necessarily new to knives just because they’re new to this forum. Please at least try to add something to the discussion besides some silly, lazy, left-handed comment. Maybe he DID make your point for you, but maybe your point is just plain silly. As if when he’s learned more about knives he’ll magically decipher that CS is worth his money and he’s only deluded himself into thinking that CS is crap. Yeah. Um…sure.

 

[Monocrom]

Maybe I’m just tired, but I haven’t seen such condescending BS in a LONG time. What makes you think the guy hasn’t done his homework and discovered that as comfortable as YOU are buying CS’s stuff, HE’S not? Also, people aren’t necessarily new to knives just because they’re new to this forum. Please at least try to add something to the discussion besides some silly, lazy, left-handed comment. Maybe he DID make your point for you, but maybe your point is just plain silly. As if when he’s learned more about knives he’ll magically decipher that CS is worth his money and he’s only deluded himself into thinking that CS is crap. Yeah. Um…sure.

I'm not too worried. I have done my homework and owned many different knives over the years. (If there's a subject that I know little or nothing about, I don't bother posting in a forum that is dedicated to that particular subject). I'm a regular at another forum that is filled with random spammers and flamers who think their opinions are the only ones that matter. (So, I'm used to seeing posts like the one made by averageguy). I've developed a thick skin. I know how an internet forum works. You share your views with other users, and they have the option to ignore your post or to take it into consideration.......

Ironically, in his last post, averageguy made MY point for me.... Clearly, he's someone with a fragile little ego who can only make himself feel better by flaming random strangers on an internet forum. I'm used to users like him.:yawn:

Since random flamers crave attention, dealing with them is rather easy. This is a tactic that normally doesn't work too well in the real world, but it works on an internet forum. Just ignore it and it'll go away. Random flamers are the same way. When you don't give them the attention they desperately crave in their empty lives, they go pester some other user.

 

[RedEdge77]

Cold steel makes some decent knives. Sure there over hyped but there knives don't suck and make great beater knives. Most of the general public could care less if it was S30V or VG-1. Cold steel appeals to most because the people don't know any better. How many of you when you first started collecting either thought cold steel was the greastest company or had one of their knives and thought it was the best knife ever?

 

[Confederate]

Every knife maker has put out some lemons as well as some really bad designs. Cold Steel may go overboard a tad when they test their knives on DVDs, but at least they test them. I've heard some people complain about chipped teeth and an occasional lock failure, but generally CS knives hold up pretty well under sustained use and their locking mechanisms are very solid. They're also not afraid to make big, powerful knives that don't cost an arm and a leg. I'll not likely ever pound my blades through a car top or use my knives to do pull-ups, but I can rest fairly comfortably knowing they'll do most jobs with few problems.

 

[averageguy]

"As if when he’s learned more about knives he’ll magically decipher that CS is worth his money and he’s only deluded himself into thinking that CS is crap. Yeah. Um…sure."

Perhaps what he'll learn is that the truth lies in between. There are better knives and there are worse knives. Uh...duh.



I used to be a fan (of CS), until I joined this forum (a couple of weeks ago) and found out that Cold Steel has a lot more in common with Camillius than just the fact that both their names start with a "C."

Yes Monocrom, it sounds like "you've owned a lot of knives over the years and done your homework".

 

[buckg]

Not to mention that all steels have different combinations of properties depending on how they are hardened, so what was the heat treatment for all of the steels? If you check the manufacturer webpages for those steels :

http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_original_list.htm

VG-10 looks to be promoted as a superior steel for a knife used for fine cutting. One of the advantages to using VG1 is simply it is different, if Cold Steel used VG-10 one could ask why not just buy Fallkniven or Spyderco. But with a different material you can always claim to be superior and if you are really vague no one can actually say you are lying.

Much thanks for the link. If I'm reading this right, VG-10 has greater resistance to abrasion and a finer grain structure, but is slightly softer than VG-1.

 

[Monocrom]

Yes Monocrom, it sounds like "you've owned a lot of knives over the years and done your homework".

LOL ....... Oh no!
A random flamer thinks I'm ignorant. Whatever shall I do? How can I possibly go on?.......

Oh wait, it's an internet forum. I'll just respond to something posted by an intelligent user, instead.

BTW, I don't do flame wars. I was bored, but your last post was good for a laugh.

Thanks for that. Oh and don't worry; I'm sure you'll find another random stranger on Bladeforums to insult. Maybe he'll decide to play with you, and satisfy your fragile little ego so you can feel better about yourself. Good luck to you.

 

[thebladeguy]

I'll not likely ever pound my blades through a car top or use my knives to do pull-ups, but I can rest fairly comfortably knowing they'll do most jobs with few problems.

But you can also be sure that if you do abuse them like that, and if they fail, which has happened to people on this forum, then CS will probably not fix it. Unlike Swamprat, Ranger knives, Busse...etc. It bothers me that they show how much their knives can do then they don't cover abuse in the warrenty.

 

[ginshun]

I going to go out on a limb here and hypothesise that most people who dislike Cold Steel, dislike it not for the quality of their knives, but rather the quality of their owner's (and the company's in general) character.

When you steal other peoples / companies designs and lie about everything under the sun, it just plain doesn't look good.

Whether or not they make quality knives reallly isn't the main factor that makes up most peoples opinion of CS.

 

[Planterz]

Keep in mind that CS likes stabbing car doors and stuff, so maybe VG-1 at 58Rc is more durable than VG-10 at 60Rc.

 

[buckg]

Keep in mind that CS likes stabbing car doors and stuff, so maybe VG-1 at 58Rc is more durable than VG-10 at 60Rc.

Well, if I read the data correctly at the link Cliff posted, VG-1 should actually be a bit harder than VG-10 if tempered the same.

 

[Monocrom]

Well, if I read the data correctly at the link Cliff posted, VG-1 should actually be a bit harder than VG-10 if tempered the same.

I wonder if it's less expensive to heat-treat large batches of VG-1, instead of VG-10.....

 

[Cliff Stamp]

In general the higher alloy steels tend to require high soak temperatures to break down the alloy carbides and get the necessary elements into solution, they also benefit more from cold treatments or require multiple tempers. VG-10 can be harden after tempering at least to 62 HRC. At the same soak temperature VG-10 will quench lower due to lacking carbon in the austenite I would assume hence VG-1 is shown with a higher as quenched hardness. What is given however as noted are not the limits, they rarely are. Most cutlery steels can be hardened well over 60 HRC after tempering.

-Cliff

 

[Confederate]

I [am] going to go out on a limb here and [hypothesize] that most people who dislike Cold Steel, dislike it [because of its] character. When you steal other people's/companies' designs and lie about everything under the sun, it just plain doesn't look good.

What are you talking about? Whose designs have they stolen?

 

[vwb563]

I used to be a fan, until I joined this forum and found out that Cold Steel has a lot more in common with Camillius than just the fact that both their names start with a "C."

What's the difference between Carbon V and 1095?
Answer: Not enough to justify paying $60 for a CS SRK, when I can get the Camillius version of the traditional Kabar knife for half the price!

I'll tell you one thing, I've owned both, Camillius's version of the KaBar and The Cold Steel SRK, The SRK was 2-1 tougher than the Camillius. The Camillius' point and blade could be bent if stuck into a tree and yanked out sideways hard enough. The SRK was tested in the same manner by myself and several of my freinds and no matter how hard we tried we just could not bend or damage that darn thing! So imho the SRK was well worth the extra price. If you wanted a true survival knife which you could be stranded in the middle of nowhere with and no sign of rescue then the SRK would be the one to have with you and would be worth a million dollars to the unlucky stranded victim who might not know how long his ordeal might last but knew he could count on this knife not fail under the most extreme survival situations. So I guess it's a matter of opinion whether or not the SRK is worth the extra price. It is in my book!,,,thats my opinion anyway,,,VWB.

 

[Cougar Allen]

 

[Confederate]

It's always funny to me when the new guys figure out that Busse knives are the best in the world and Cold Steel sucks.

Amen! But we all know that Busse is crap when compared to Chris Reeves' knives, so we shouldn't fool ourselves.

Actually, I'll take the Cold Steel knives and keep my mint Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum where it belongs in the safe. As for VG-1, I don't know where it falls in the scheme of things. Since no one I know of has actually tested it under field conditions, all we can do is debate what's in the steel charts.

Cold Steel opts for combat and sports use over day-to-day cuttin' chores. It don't take no seven hundred dollar knife to scrape off meat from a deer hide, no sir. And few would cart off a Sebenzza off if they think they might have to use a knife in defense of their own hides. So it's naive to think that Cold Steel is junk...or that it "sucks." When people can carry and use a Cold Steel, CRKT, or Benchmade year after year with no problem and use them heavily, most can purt much tell when a knife is obscenely overpriced.

So where VG-1 falls as a steel is still unknown. But enough is known to say that it's a very good, and possibly highly underrated, stainless steel.

 

[markksr]

 

[Halfneck]

Cripes, why do some people feel the need to go dredge up year old Cold Steel threads to make a rebuttal on? George Romero Zombies have nothing on a Cold Steel thread.

 

[Confederate]

Dang...you're right. Aw, but who cares if it's old? If new insights can be added
to the old...many old things just keep popping up, anyway.