Bad Stay away from @Jrocklage. Bad Experience

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Last Wednesday (3/15/23), I bought a supposably "lightly used" left handed Kirby Lambert Flare off of Jrocklage Jrocklage
from his ebay page rock_3151. I'm posting here as well because he also had a for sale ad posted here and I want to warn people not to do business with this guy. Here's the link to his ad: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/sold-wts-left-handed-kirby-lambert-flare.1919455/#post-21815797

So here's my experience: The knife was posted on both sites, but he took it off the bay since it had been a week with no hits. I had been considering buying it, so when the ad got removed, I contacted him to ask about selling the knife and he responded quickly about it still being for sale and that he would take the $1000 he was asking for and I offered to him. The knife seemed kind of pricey, but I was willing to buy it due to its rarity and me being under the impression that it was "lightly used" with no issues. He wanted to sell it over blade forums, which I understand since he wanted to save money, but I didn't trust it since he has no feedback here and that's a lot of money. Plus I've never dropped this much on a knife before. I wanted to buy it off eBay for my protection and to have more paying options through PayPal. Before I bought it, this is what I asked him verbatim:

Me: "How is the action and centering? Any issues with it? All the hardware ok?"

Him: "It’s perfect, no issues with the hardware."

I made sure to check the description on both sites to see what he stated about the knife. On the bay, this is what his description said:
"Kirby Lambert Left Handed Pocket Knife. Lightly used, with pocket clip. Extremely rare as Kirby doesn't make left handed knives that often and hasn't made any new ones in years."

So yeah, I asked him about the quality of the knife and he said it was perfect, so I went ahead with purchasing it. He stated right off the bat that it would take him a few days to ship because he hasn't been home and he lives in a storm affected area, I guess. I was like ok, you have 2-3 days to ship it out anyways, it's all good. Fast forward 5 days later and several excuses, he finally ships out the knife. By day 3, I was wondering what was going on and he asks me if I can "sit tight" before he ships it because ebay is going to take a month to release his funds and he wanted them as soon as possible so that he could buy another knife he was trying to get. I was like, wtf? You need to ship it out first and it needs to be delivered before you can receive your funds. I don't know why he thought it was ok to have me "sit tight" while he's trying to buy a knife with money he doesn't currently have. If he wanted the funds so quickly, where was that urgency to ship it out? I don't mind waiting the given 3 days, but come on, 5 days and this kind of crap, nah, not ok. After all that, I finally get the knife after a week, which isn't too bad overall, but the post office was quicker than this guy. I honestly thought this guy was going to try to scam me and not send the knife. He still scammed me anyways since I overpaid by a few hundred dollars.

I unboxed the knife and was immediately appalled with what I was seeing. I wish I had taken pictures, but I was so annoyed, I just wanted to immediately get the knife cleaned and fixed. Now remember, I was under the impression that the knife was "lightly used" as he put it and the centering and everything was perfect. That was far from the truth. The blade was so off centered, it was rubbing the titanium liner and you couldn't even open the knife properly without pushing the blade over first. The knife was incredibly dirty, full of gunk, dirt, loctite. All the hardware and everything had basically fused together. It was extremely difficult to remove the pivot barrel. It was reassembled incorrectly at one point and was basically jammed in a bit off centered, which was causing the centering issues. I get that that is fixable, but I paid $1096 after everything, I shouldn't have to do all this for a knife I just bought, regardless of it being "lightly used". This guy butchered the knife, shelved it, and then passed on his mistakes to me. What if I couldn't have fixed that? I'm stuck with this headache and I either try to get my money back even though he wasn't accepting returns, so my next option would probably be to send it to Kirby. Luckily I know what I'm doing and knew I could fix the knife, but I shouldn't have to. This wasn't disclosed to me. It also wasn't disclosed that the liners were so full of scratches/snail trails, which is much more than lightly used. I only knew the clip had them. There were also several scratches on the blade that I didn't know about, some from blade rub. After fixing the centering issues, deep cleaning the knife, I put it back together and was getting some bad lock stick. I took the knife apart again and tuned the lock bar a couple times, cleaned up the lock faces, etc. I put it back together and it's working pretty nicely now. It still could use a little bit of work and some clean up, but I'm just exhausted with this whole ordeal.
I tried to contact the seller afterward and see if he would partially refund me $200. I thought that was fair for overpaying for lies and misrepresentation of the knife, but this guy couldn't care less about doing the right thing, being forthcoming and honest about the sale, disclosing any and all issues with the knife, or even have an apology for doing me dirty like this. As long as he gets his money, he's ok with pawning off this kind of dishonest sale. Then he has the nerve to say that he expected this from me and called me a scammer and a Karen. Are you serious dude? You sold me a knife that was falsely represented and don't expect me to have an issue with it? That's a lot of money to be getting told lies and then being told to "sit tight" before taking 5 days to ship out with no reasonable excuse. All I wanted was an honest transaction. I paid the money you wanted immediately and expected good service for the amount that I was spending. Ship on time, disclose all information, and if there's an issue, try to make things right amicably. Or don't sell. It's as easy as that. I didn't pay to be given an unusable knife right out of the box and have to fix it myself. I paid for a "lightly used" Kirby Lambert Flare and this wasn't what I was expecting. I don't care at this point about getting a partial refund. I still wanted to keep the knife despite the initial problems with it, but I wanted the overpaid money I spent on this falsely advertised sale. I know I won't get it at this point, but that's fine. As long as I can warn people to stay away from this seller. He doesn't care about what he's selling you, as long as he can get what he needs.
 
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If you post on that sales thread you linked (since you were the buyer), you would be allowed to leave feedback for the transaction.
 
If you post on that sales thread you linked (since you were the buyer), you would be allowed to leave feedback for the transaction.
Thank you for letting me know that. I'll have to do that soon so that people can see my warning there as well.
 
You could literally post "For feedback." right now, before he locks it. ETA - Do NOT post what you did above on the sales thread.
 
For future reference it is not a good idea to disassemble a knife that came with issues. That's always going to make any return or exchange more difficult. That really turns the tables against you if you do it after deciding you wanted a refund, partial refund, or to return it.

Edit: that is in regard to knowing there are issues before disassembling. If you find them only after, that's a different story.
 
Just a couple points
1 from hearing your side, it sounds like it was not as described, and you would have been within your rights to return it.
2 once you work on it it is yours
3 asking or money back is negotiable and he is under no obligation to accept that option.
With that said thanks for the heads up, and sorry for you negative experience.
 
That's pretty dirty of him. The wait time & the misrepresentation. $200 is a reasonable refund if it was in the condition you said it was. Me personally? I would never lay out that kind of cash (unprotected/uninsured) to a person with zero feedback. Thanks for the heads up about him though.
 
Edit: Nevermind.

So you cant leave feedback for a locked thread or a thread you didnt post in?
You have to post in the thread to leave feedback for that thread. ETA - JTR beat me to it^^^. lol

Just a couple points
1 from hearing your side, it sounds like it was not as described, and you would have been within your rights to return it.
2 once you work on it it is yours
3 asking or money back is negotiable and he is under no obligation to accept that option.
With that said thanks for the heads up, and sorry for you negative experience.
Agreed 100%.

That's pretty dirty of him. The wait time & the misrepresentation. $200 is a reasonable refund if it was in the condition you said it was. Me personally? I would never lay out that kind of cash (unprotected/uninsured) to a person with zero feedback. Thanks for the heads up about him though.
Also agreed. ETA - Yeah. After looking at the sales thread, I would never have taken that kind of risk. Guy's been here 11 years, but only 6 posts, all in the for sale sections. Risky... 😬
 
For future reference it is not a good idea to disassemble a knife that came with issues. That's always going to make any return or exchange more difficult. That really turns the tables against you if you do it after deciding you wanted a refund, partial refund, or to return it.

Edit: that is in regard to knowing there are issues before disassembling. If you find them only after, that's a different story.
Yeah, I thoroughly inspected the knife right out of the box, found what issues it had, but I knew he wasn't accepting returns, so all I could do is try to correct them myself and maybe hope to get part of the money back that wasn't worth this trouble.
After confronting him about it, he only offered me $20 to ship it back and that was after everything had been said and done and I had fixed it. At that point I'm not going to send it back better than he shipped it to me while knowing he can't be trusted.
 
Yeah, I thoroughly inspected the knife right out of the box, found what issues it had, but I knew he wasn't accepting returns, so all I could do is try to correct them myself and maybe hope to get part of the money back that wasn't worth this trouble.
After confronting him about it, he only offered me $20 to ship it back and that was after everything had been said and done and I had fixed it. At that point I'm not going to send it back better than he shipped it to me while knowing he can't be trusted.
For future reference, be sure to take lots of close up & clear pics of all the faults you find. That way it doesn't look like just your word against his.
 
I wish I had taken pictures
Ugh. So do I. You are claiming a lot here, with no evidence. You did not immediately return the knife, which you should have done. You should not have taken a tool to the knife. I'm sorry, but you keeping the knife lets him get away with all you are claiming. If we let people get away with things like this, no amount of warning will help the next person who is unaware, which there will be many. The only thing that curtails bad behavior from low-key con-artists is to not let them get away with the con.

Thanks for the heads up I guess. Don't get me wrong, if what you say is true, the seller is fully in the wrong. That said, if you paid through ebay, you should have sent that knife right back. That would have helped us all more than any warning thread.
 
Just a couple points
1 from hearing your side, it sounds like it was not as described, and you would have been within your rights to return it.
2 once you work on it it is yours
3 asking or money back is negotiable and he is under no obligation to accept that option.
With that said thanks for the heads up, and sorry for you negative experience.
Definitely not as described. Too many issues that weren't disclosed and I was lied to about the condition that it was in. Had I known upfront, I wouldn't have bought the knife, but he knew that and was desperate for a sale.
I know he's not obligated to partially refund me or do anything, but this is just bad business behavior. I told him that he needs to be honest and stand behind his product if he's going to sale something. He told me that this isn't Macy's and I bought a used knife "as is" after telling me it was perfect. He had no good reply other than to keep saying "you bought a used knife as is" repeatedly. Then he insults me and thinks nothing of this whole transaction. It's just sad that a seller would think that this is ok. Especially over a $1100 knife. I just don't want people to go through a negative experience like I did with this guy. He doesn't deserve our business and hard earned money to be selling like this. But hey, the knife is now in much better hands anyway.
 
Yeah, I thoroughly inspected the knife right out of the box, found what issues it had, but I knew he wasn't accepting returns, so all I could do is try to correct them myself and maybe hope to get part of the money back that wasn't worth this trouble.
After confronting him about it, he only offered me $20 to ship it back and that was after everything had been said and done and I had fixed it. At that point I'm not going to send it back better than he shipped it to me while knowing he can't be trusted.
Um, if it was through ebay or paypal goods, you file a claim for item not as described. "Not accepting returns" is out the window if there is an issue.
 
Um, if it was through ebay or paypal goods, you file a claim for item not as described. "Not accepting returns" is out the window if there is an issue.
I put in a claim, I'm just waiting for a response.
I just wanted to warn people here about the sellers dishonesty and why they shouldn't buy from him. If it helps anyone, then that's good with me at this point.
 
I put in a claim, I'm just waiting for a response.
I just wanted to warn people here about the sellers dishonesty and why they shouldn't buy from him. If it helps anyone, then that's good with me at this point.
Okay, but your claim should be denied at this point because you altered the knife from the condition you received. Trying to return a knife you "improved" makes you the bad guy now. Seriously, that is not cool.

Upon receiving something not as describe you should immediately document with photos, file a claim, and return. Then, let us know about it if you want, post your feedback, whatever....

The biggest help to other people is to not let con-artists get away with the con.
 
I should've been more clear, I'm not trying to return the knife. I just wanted a partial refund. I already knew he wasn't accepting returns. Nothing states about not doing partial refund though for misrepresenting the product he was selling. I might not have put the claim in correctly either, but I left a message for ebay to see if maybe they could help me get a partial refund. If not, so be it, but I had to try something. Like you said, can't let the conners get away with it. This is the first time I've been through this kind of thing and I've bought a lot of knives so far. So I'm not completely sure about how to go about it, but I appreciate your guys feedback and things I should do or don't do if this ever happens again. That's another reason I wanted to post this here.
 
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