Stealth Camping?

hung-solo said:
trespassing is trespassing. legal or not, you will be shot at. most folks just do not care. hence the signs they put up. "trespassers will be shot" maybe its a southern thing..
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I don't think it's that simple. My understanding is that in most cases it is only when you or another person living in the premises is in imminent danger that shooting may be an option. Like in the story below it could possibly net you a murder rap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30650051/
 
KuRUpTD said:
I don't think it's that simple...
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KmArTD... I don't think Hung is talking about the letter of the law.... he is talking about "Southern Rules", my friend. What happens to them AFTER they shoot you, is of no consequence to you anymore , is it? Note to self.... pay the money and camp at the crappy sites when down South. Hung is trying to say that people of the South don't follow the law... which I don't particularily subscribe to, but perhaps where he has visited they are different.

Rick
 
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Pritch said:
For those that would dismiss the concept of private property as a "mere western construct," I would remind them that so is freedom. As the right to own property is a critical element of freedom, the right to exclude is a necessary component of property ownership.
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I assume this was for me then, rather than Don. I agree though, and said as much.

"Given the Western construct of land ownership and private property, I'm sure you'd rather them ask permission, right?"

and

"Now I understand that the concept of land ownership is something that is an emotionally charged issue for a lot of people. It's very closely tied to the American definition of "freedom"."

Just because I happened to point it out as a Western construct, which it is, doesn't mean that I don't respect it or adhere to it. I was merely pointing out that because of this, certain replies would most likely be emotionally charged, as we've seen. On the other hand, if the post wasn't directed to me, and you were just using the term for continuity, I apologize for being defensive. Just wanted to make sure my position wasn't being misinterpreted.

As for, "it's a southern thing", I've stated my opinion on that as well. I've had nothing but good encounters with southern land owners. I think the more accurate assessment is that it's an "ignorant thing" or a "knee jerk reaction" thing. The south is no different in that respect than the rest of the country, you have hill-billies, rednecks, etc. in all states that are trigger happy.


Gautier
 
Going back from shooting to camping.
Stealth camping is quite popular in Europe. No really dangerous animals, no real risk of being shot, and even in places where it is illegal it is in fact more like being discouraged.
Even if found/catch, you probably wont be fined as long as you camp is clean, temporary and without open fire.

And one more thing - most of Europe is MUCH more crowded than US, so camping "in the wild" is in fact only chance to really camp alone and get in the wild.
 
moonwilson said:
Way to take the moral high ground, Rick. You don't think anyone else in the NRA would consider firing a warning shot at a trespasser? I am a disgrace to the organization because I might?
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Just because a certain percentage of NRA Members might fire a warning shot at a trespasser doesn't negate the fact that it's assault with a deadly weapon. What is so hard for you to understand?

I have been to enough gun shows and gun shops to know, for a fact, that there are a hell of a lot of people that shouldn't even be allowed to touch a gun, let alone own one. Based solely on the shit they talk in those areas when they think they are among "like minds." Likewise, a lot of them are NRA or GOA Members. Good apples tolerate the bad until the bad step over the line and then get their cods wacked for being a moron.

moonwilson said:
I am aware that my statements were inflammatory. I don't like the idea of people on my land without permission, period. This is something I feel very strongly about.
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I feel very strongly about it as well! I think you would be a damned fool to live out in the country and confront a trespasser without a firearm!

You take it to an extreme that is unacceptable and under the wrong circumstances, you could lose everything if you did something stupid. But you want to be a hardhead about it. The very fact that you have stated it in these forums could be used against you in future legal proceedings but appearing to be a badass is more important than basic, common sense.

Where does your nonsense stop? If you make a mistake or something otherwise goes pear-shaped in your badassery, do you just bury them and look over your shoulder for the rest of your life? I have a feeling that you would not be calling the authorities and fessing up that you screwed the pooch and someone died for nothing, died because you feel "very strongly" about it.

Take a firearm out, by all means, go armed. Yell out, "Hey! You're on private property and I own it, leave, now!"

Don't leave? Call the law. You are covered. If they get a case of the ass and come after you before the law gets there, all of the sudden, you have everyone on your side.

But you cannot see that.
 
Don, this conversation has been taken elsewhere, and I have changed my stance on the subject. You, and others, are right. It would be stupid to take "warning shots" at trespassers, not to mention highly illegal.
Please, let's let this subject go, as regards my former opinion on the matter. I was wrong.

Yet once again, I apologize for the thread drift.
 
moonwilson said:
Don, this conversation has been taken elsewhere, and I have changed my stance on the subject. You, and others, are right. It would be stupid to take "warning shots" at trespassers, not to mention highly illegal.
Please, let's let this subject go, as regards my former opinion on the matter. I was wrong.

Yet once again, I apologize for the thread drift.
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It takes a big man to admit they are wrong (although it takes a bigger man to laugh at him for it:D).
I'm sure everyone will get along again soon. I've said my share of dumb things as well (some of them not very long ago either...):o
 
Man, I seemed to have popped out of this thread (luckily) as it really started heating up. Well, another lesson learned about threads on ethics. They are complicated....Take for example oral sex with your partner. Who goes first? :D :D :D Sorry, that would be another 7 pages :)
 
kgd said:
Man, I seemed to have popped out of this thread (luckily) as it really started heating up. Well, another lesson learned about threads on ethics. They are complicated....Take for example oral sex with your partner. Who goes first? :D :D :D Sorry, that would be another 7 pages :)
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There is an easy equation for deciding that...

3+(6*(2*5+1))


Rick
 
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Moonwilson, I salute you sir, for proving the efficacy of civilized discourse between gentlemen. :thumbup:
 
So who has a lead on a sturdy camo or earth colored, 3 season solo tent or hybrid -bivy for fall stealth camping on public lands?
 
Hammocks make stealth camping really easy. Don`t bed down until sundown and pack up before sunrise. Bring a small camp stove, and you have almost zero clean-up.
 
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That's the first thing that came to mind: a hammock.

A lot of the better mosquito hammocks also have a camouflage tarp. Pitch the hammock and tarp real low.
 
Magnussen said:
KmArTD... I don't think Hung is talking about the letter of the law.... he is talking about "Southern Rules", my friend. What happens to them AFTER they shoot you, is of no consequence to you anymore , is it? Note to self.... pay the money and camp at the crappy sites when down South. Hung is trying to say that people of the South don't follow the law... which I don't particularily subscribe to, but perhaps where he has visited they are different.

Rick
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that pretty much sums it up.. you can take your chances and your odds of getting shot at are very very slim BUT dont be surprised if they do. some crazy folks down here and they are anal about their property.
 
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