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I recently was gifted an FDE PM2 with DLC coated S35VN. Perhaps I am underestimating S35VN, but this steel seems more common than 20CV or M390 but both of those sprints are cheaper than my FDE PM2. Can someone clue me in as to why? My version seems more numerous as there are still specimens available. So, it doesn’t appear as though rarity is dictating cost. I’m just trying to understand how the steel equates to cost if that’s at all involved. Thanks ahead of time.
 
Danke42 said:
Steel (iron) is free for the taking. You just need to pick it up off the ground.

The other costs are all marketing.
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That’s all fine and good but my question is: why does a PM2 with S35VN cost more than a sprint in M390? I have doubts that marketing plays a role when the maker is exactly the same among all specimens: M390, 20CV, and S35VN.
 
Murdamook said:
That’s all fine and good but my question is: why does a PM2 with S35VN cost more than a sprint in M390? I have doubts that marketing plays a role when the maker is exactly the same among all specimens: M390, 20CV, and S35VN.
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As I understand: The s35 was a distributor exclusive and they charged dealers what they wanted. The distributor and the dealer both had to make money. The DLT exclusives were all theirs and they didn’t have the middle man to pay.
 
Murdamook said:
That’s all fine and good but my question is: why does a PM2 with S35VN cost more than a sprint in M390? I have doubts that marketing plays a role when the maker is exactly the same among all specimens: M390, 20CV, and S35VN.
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It's kinda a "how tall is a tree question".
 
ScooterG said:
As I understand: The s35 was a distributor exclusive and they charged dealers what they wanted. The distributor and the dealer both had to make money. The DLT exclusives were all theirs and they didn’t have the middle man to pay.
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That makes sense. Thank you.
 
Danke42 said:
It's kinda a "how tall is a tree question".
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I disagree. Considering someone just answered the question aptly, I fail to see your point. My question is directly related to the cost differences between two to three of the same exact model. There’s a black and white answer to that specific question.
 
Murdamook said:
I recently was gifted an FDE PM2 with DLC coated S35VN. Perhaps I am underestimating S35VN, but this steel seems more common than 20CV or M390 but both of those sprints are cheaper than my FDE PM2. Can someone clue me in as to why? My version seems more numerous as there are still specimens available. So, it doesn’t appear as though rarity is dictating cost. I’m just trying to understand how the steel equates to cost if that’s at all involved. Thanks ahead of time.
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ScooterG said:
As I understand: The s35 was a distributor exclusive and they charged dealers what they wanted. The distributor and the dealer both had to make money. The DLT exclusives were all theirs and they didn’t have the middle man to pay.
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Also, if I understand the OP correctly. Only the S35N knife had the DLC coating. DLC is an expensive process. It isn't paint. It requires a vacuum chamber and high tech equipment to apply it.
Application Methods:
  • Cathodic Arc Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) with elements of CVD
  • Plasma Assisted Chemical Vapor Deposition (PACVD)
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https://www.ibccoatings.com/dlc-coating-diamond-like-carbon-coating-ceratough-d
 
knarfeng said:
Also, if I understand the OP correctly. Only the S35N knife had the DLC coating. DLC is an expensive process. It isn't paint. It requires a vacuum chamber and high tech equipment to apply it.

https://www.ibccoatings.com/dlc-coating-diamond-like-carbon-coating-ceratough-d
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I misspoke in the original post. It’s the standard black coating that’s on all black blades spydercos, I believe. I found nothing saying DLC. I was using that as a catch-all. My bad. I apologize for the fake news.
 
Murdamook said:
I misspoke in the original post. It’s the standard black coating that’s on all black blades spydercos, I believe. I found nothing saying DLC. I was using that as a catch-all. My bad. I apologize for the fake news.
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Spyderco does DLC
 
Murdamook said:
I disagree. Considering someone just answered the question aptly, I fail to see your point. My question is directly related to the cost differences between two to three of the same exact model. There’s a black and white answer to that specific question.
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One costs more because it's s more expensive.

What makes stuff more expensive? When you don't make very many of them (economy of scale), when it requires extra steps (every time hands touch), when the store convinces you buy (create a story). That's enough for tonight.
 
To add to my post, the comparison I was making was between the $175 s35v with DLC that was a distributor exclusive and the $150 20cv with DLC that was a DLT exclusive.
 
Danke42 said:
One costs more because it's s more expensive.

What makes stuff more expensive? When you don't make very many of them (economy of scale), when it requires extra steps (every time hands touch), when the store convinces you buy (create a story). That's enough for tonight.
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Oh, you mean you’re done trolling? Thanks. I understand how the economy works. I’m asking specifically if S35VN falls into any one of those categories you just named. I assumed that was obvious since it was stated in the OP.
 
Danke42 said:
Steel (iron) is free for the taking. You just need to pick it up off the ground.

The other costs are all marketing.
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Yeah man, I found a bunch of natural CPM-4V in the backyard when I was digging out a trench the other day. Crazy how people go on about how these need to be “made in a metallurgy facility” and “spray-formed” and all that other nonsense. You can even shave it into shape with just angle grinder, which pretty much nullifies the “sharpening belt” costs as well.
 
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