Steel type SAK?

I don't think so, but the pioneer range certainly is (Farmer, Electrician etc, check out the sturdy category)

And that's the difference:
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Wow that's pretty thick! I'm carrying around a climber ii I got for my mom.... Just trying it out
For a couple days. It's okay but the blade is too thin for me.
 
best picture I have for it, forgot to wip them clean first, sorry, this is the farmer, pioneer, electrician, rancher and 2 cadets (one with a saw added) is the pioneer series
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best picture I have for it, forgot to wip them clean first, sorry, this is the farmer, pioneer, electrician, rancher and 2 cadets (one with a saw added) is the pioneer series
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Nice! I was gonna start a thread to see if anyone mods their sak's.... It would be interesting to see!
 
Well, I don't think I step onto anyone's feet if I say that, talking about steel, Buck wins.

But, obviously, a 301 and any SAK are two very different things, so there are many other factors to consider.
Anyway, for some reason, I would bet that, sooner or later, you will get both :rolleyes:

Fausto
:cool:

I think Fausto answered the question well and fully.

Buck and SAK use similar alloys, but the hardnesses differ by several Rockwell points. I find the difference in edge retention to be noticeable in everyday use.

But they are very different knives.
I carried a Buck 303 daily for years.
Later I carried a Vic Tinker daily for a couple of years.

The Tinker is useful, for sure, but something about the stockman appeals to me more.
 
Nice! I was gonna start a thread to see if anyone mods their sak's.... It would be interesting to see!

Thanks, I saw how some have put file work along the blade spines recently...the thought crossed my mind :)
 
Google.

This topic comes up regularly -

Here's a page on the Victorinox Steelinfo over at pizzini.at - an Austrian SAK dealer - the information is/was originally from Victorinox.

QUOTED from that page:
"For both blades we use chrome molydenum stainless steel with 0.52% carbon, 15% chromium, 0.5% molydenum, 0.45% manganese and 0.6% silicium. After a sophisticated hardening process at 1040°C and an annealing temperature of 160°C the blades achieve a hardness of RC 56.
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The woodsaw, scissors and nail files have a hardness of RC 53, the screwdriver, tin opener and awl a hardness of RC 52, and the corkscrew and springs RC 49.

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The metal saw and file, in addition to the special case hardening, are also subjected to a hard chromium plating process so that iron and steel can also be filed und cut.

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The separators have been made from aluminium alloy since 1951. This makes the knife lighter and easier to carry in one's pocket. Formerly these separating layers were made of nickel-silver.

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The rivets are made of brass and the outer casing of cellidor, made in the USA.

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The spring exerts a pressure of 12 kilograms on the large blade and 8 kilograms on the small blade. The combined 20 kilograms exert pressure on the corkscrew. With two springs and six pressure locations a total of 70 kilograms pressure is achieved. To close the blades high pressure is necessary since the ratio of the pressure points between the axis and the thumbnail recess is 1 to 20. In the case of the "SwissChamp" model with 8 springs and 24 pressure points a total of 300 kilograms (660 lb) is achieved. "

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best picture I have for it, forgot to wip them clean first, sorry, this is the farmer, pioneer, electrician, rancher and 2 cadets (one with a saw added) is the pioneer series
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Hey which one has the thicker width wise blade? I'm thinking about an alox farmer or hiker
 
Sorry for the late response, was off line for a while, I'd say they are all the same accept the cadet which is thinner, I'll have to get them out to look, if one is thicker though it would be the farmer.

They are all though slicers IMO

Hey which one has the thicker width wise blade? I'm thinking about an alox farmer or hiker
 
The Alox are longer and the blades are thicker including the bottle opener

The SAK looses and gains sharpness very quickly
SAK sells a leather knife pouch with a sharpening steel on the side
It would be excellent for any SAK to use a few passes on a sharpening steel

But a few passes on an E Fine diamond is all that is needed to come back to screaming sharp
 
Okay! Yeah I really would like a thicker blade just cause I think they make a lot better for adjusting grinds and such.

In terms of blade grind, the difference here is between hollow ground blades (Buck) and flat ground blade (Victorinox). If you're comparing these to tactical knives, which often have very thick spines, I think you will find that neither is as thick and stiff, but then there's good reason for that too.

Pretty much all of Buck's knives are hollow ground. Hollow grind blades has been their preference dating back at least to their classic 119 fixed blades and 110 folding hunter. Some will argue that hollow ground blades do a better job at cutting meat. Another argument could be made that at this point, hollow grinds are more or less expected as the right "look" for hunting knives. Either way, the hollow grind of the Buck is definitely tied to Buck's hunting knive heritage. The exceptions to this are (no longer made) Camillus made 300 series knives, which were flat ground.

Flat grinds are the other common grind for pocket knives. Some will argue this makes the blade better at slicing high friction materials like wood, cardboard and rope. Others will argue that it's the right look for a pocket knife. Either way, Victorinox is definitely in that camp.

I wouldn't expect either to be able to be reground significantly. One might put a hollow ground knife to a stone to work it towards a full flat grind, but then you could just go out a buy a knife with a flat grind too.

In terms of thin blade stock, having some flex in the blade helps reduce wear and tear on the joint of the knife. That's generally a good thing.

Knives are highly, highly personal. I strongly prefer flat ground blades for EDC use. I love Buck knives and use them for hunting and the like, but I find the hollow ground frustrating when working with wood or working in the kitchen (unless I'm cutting meat). On the other hand, I really dislike the super soft steel on Victorinox knives. The best things to be said about them is that they are stainless and can be ignored, wet, in the bottom of a pack for long periods of time. And, they can be sharpened easily sort of. I can put a quick crude edge on them with a wet stone easily enough, but I can't get a fine edge on them since the steel really holds a burr. Buck's 420HC is wonderful stuff though. It's my favorite stainless for day to day use.

BTW, if your interest in a thick blade is motivated by finding a tough folder, look at Opinel. Single blade. Flat (convex) grind is amazing for EDC use (for me anyhow). Incredibly tough knives.
 
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