Sticks and points to ponder

S

Smoke

Joined
Oct 14, 1998
Messages
2,543
Here's some questions to ponder

If you had a pointed (non metal) stick, would you use it differently than a usual blunt stick?

If you had the choice between a round stick or an octagonal stick and you were going to fight, which would you choose?

If you have a stick or knife and are facing a person with a similar weapon, why would you disarm them? Why disarm a person?

[This message has been edited by Smoke (edited 01-11-2000).]
 
Sure, I'd change style a little with the point stick. If he has a stick too, I'll hold the stick with the point end toward him.. It won't hurt me any, and I might get to poke him with a sharp stick. ;-)

Might choose and octagonal stick for combat, the edges would do more damage than a round. However, I don't think that under most circumstances,it will be the deciding factor in a brawl.

As for disarms, not with out a reason.

The girl who tried to attack some one with my knife got disarmed. The guy who tries to kill me with a knife gets whatever I can give him(including disarms, if it is approriate). Might not be fair, but how much I am willing to put myself in danger is directly related to why.

As fro when to go for the disarm, chin na should always be an easy motion.. if you have to force it very much, you should probably transistion to another technique.

josh
 
I'd fight the same with a pointed stick as I would with a normal stick, although I'd probably use more thrusts for the obvious reason(I guess that means that I wouldn't fight the same, huh? Well it would be almost the same...) I'd prefer a round stick. I think I read somewhere that sharpened and firehardened sticks used to be a weapon of Filipino warriors.
 
Another one to ponder:

I would definitely have the point facing opp. However, I was thinking as a surprise factor, why not have the point as the punyo instead? When you close, the punyo will wreak more havoc as opp. doesn't know about it. If it was facing him, he knows to defend vs. thrusts. And will not let you get off a good thrust, but if it was the punyo, he may not see it and you may be able to close.

Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? LOL

Also, forgot the name, but isn't there a very strong iron-like wood found in the Phillipines that is FLAT?

------------------
"...grappling happens. It just does." - Top Dog
 
I use a shorter Serrada-type stick with more of a boxing structure, so I do more thrusts than most people. I wouldn't need to change my method any with a pointed stick. The best disarm is a direct strike. Any defensive action on the opponent's limb has the potential to disarm. I'd only do an actual formal disarm technique under the rare circumstance that it just "was there." And a stick is a stick. Don't matter whether its round or octagonal. :-)


Keith

------------------
Attitude Is Everything!

[This message has been edited by Myers (edited 01-12-2000).]
 
Stickgrappler:

That wood is called Kamagong. It is a very heavy wood, and is black or almost black in color. Some sticks are carved into the shape of swords(bolos, etc.). Kamagong is also used for regular round sticks. I forgot the name of the flat sticks.


------------------
K. Williams
kel620@aol.com
Modern Arnis Student


[This message has been edited by K Williams (edited 01-12-2000).]
 
The flat stick is called an "Anahaw" Tree material. They called it in Ilocano "Bellang" If well grown up anahaw tree it is very black in color also the same as the kamagong. If not that much matured anahaw tree, the color is brownish.

to answer the poster questions:
Q1
A-I'll use it as a usual stick and only use the point for particular strike like a straight thrust.

Q2
A- I choose the octagonal stick for I believe it is more lethal.

Q3
A-It seems to me that I will not disarm for the purpose to stop the fight, but I might disarm by a normal self defense on an offense move or defense move from me, which is cause by throwing some strikes to him.
 
I always try to hit with the tip, regardless of whether I have a stick or blade, and being from a corto system thrusts (and punyos) are important. So, a sharpened stick wouldn't change my strategy or tactics much if at all. I like the idea of having the punyo end sharpened, and if I were in that type of fight (and didn't have access to a blade) I would probably want both ends to be sharpened.

I would chose a round stick if only because I just don't like the feel of octagonal sticks (based upon having used octagonal bo's and jo's).

I might go for a disarm if sticks were involved, but not with a blade. Any blade you run into on the street is likely to be considerably smaller than a stick. Even an 18-20" Serrada stick will be a lot easier to disarm than a knife with a 4" blade, and the blade can inflict damage just by touching you. Also, if I fight anyone ... EVER, it's because I have NO other option and to me a knife fight is life or death. If we have knives, I'm going to be trying to inflict peripheral damage as I evade and quarter to get into position to finish it with a telling thrust or cut.

Respectfully,

Dave Fulton



------------------
Full Contact Martial Arts Association.

"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."


 
Re: Pointed stick. This popped in my head as we've all busted/seen busted sticks of various woods. I asked about a sharpened end to see if you thought you'd get more options or if you think it would end the fight quicker. Personally, if you're not into thrusts you'd get a slashing surface that would wear out quick.

Octagon stick. This is interesting because this cut has some advantages to ponder. Forget about the point edge, consider the individual corners along the stick itself. Each are like dull blades, these points are concentrated areas, so when you whack you get some more oomph into your hit. However, I haven't tried it so the advantage may be minimal. BTW, I've seen the octagon grip on not only a Japanese hanbo but a European short mace.

Octagon grip some people like for less slippage than round grip. Some take it further, saying it feels better when you punch a guy with the stick in hand. Then again, if you're not worried about grip and aren't into punching with a stick in your hand, it probably doesn't matter.

Re: Disarms. Well, I agree I wouldn't plan on a disarm in the snake/strip sense but the defang/chop (if you like blades) or direct head hit sense. But the real question is why disarm?
If it's your drunk friend and you're barehanded, I understand but if you were armed would you still disarm?

BTW, these aren't "answers" from me, I just want to know what people think.
smile.gif


[This message has been edited by Smoke (edited 04-16-2001).]
 
Why disarm? Why not just go straight in? I think that the strategy of "defanging the snake" evolved from the blade-work. You may evade his initial attack and land a potentially deadly counter, but the attacker will still have a short period of time to renew his assault. If he's still holding a blade, you're still in danger no matter how well you have managed to inflict damage upon him. I think the danger to you is much less when he has a stick rather than a blade, so in my opinion disarming skill is less critical in stick-fighting. Simply evading his stick strike and countering directly to the head ala "stick boxing" is a very viable strategy.

Keith

------------------
Attitude Is Everything!
 
Keith, no argument from me. The evading and hitting to the head was taught to me as being the ultimate end. Course it takes practice since it's so easy to just stand there and duke it out.

Defanging probably did come from the blade but I believe it would've come out from the stick/staff eventually.
 
Contact has been established, I would use the pointed stick for whichever achieves the correct response, to stop my opponent.


Octagonal

Why disarm? In Kali the point is to finish, in todays world, I would hope that my opponent did not know what happened to him/her, when they woke. Removing the knife is important to stop the opponent from regaining use of it, even if only accidently cutting me on the fall, I can still be hurt.

Re: I remember being thrown, in an exchange with the late Grand Master Visitacion, as my teacher threw me to the gound, my hand hit his chin, causing a small cut. Had I a blade, the cut would have had a 50% chance of being serious.

Better I prepare to be sensitive to protect my self first, control my opponent, and finish, whatever that comes down to.

------------------
P. Greg Alland, Master Kali Silat, SinaTirsiaWali at www.KaliSilat.com or www.PekitiTirsia.com
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top