Still disappointed with Emerson

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Dear Members,

It is interesting to note that in any and all conversations or debates I’ve had with liberals or anyone on the left, that no matter how far left or how radically opposed to my views, I’ve never resorted to personal name calling or insults upon the individual. I’ve walked away maybe thinking the person was wrong, misinformed or just had another view of things. However, I have been called, idiot, stupid, fool, insane, *sshole, f*kin crazy, dumb sh*t, high and mighty, bigot, capitalist (like that’s an insult) right wing kook, and yes, I’ve had my life threatened several times.

Well now that I’ve been writing for Humanevents, it has given me the opportunity to have discourse with some of the most brilliant and influential conservatives of our time. In a recent conversation with one of the most well known conservatives, possibly a presidential candidate, this subject came up. And he said, “The left attacks with emotion, we debate with ideas and facts. When you are confronted by those who are not armed with truth, facts, historical evidence and research, you are in for a shouting match, for there is no grounds for serious debate. Always take the high road with them for that can never be looked upon as a fault.”

I answered, “I always have.”

In regard to some comments made in this post I will add the following. A previous poster was correct; Tim McVeigh was not a Christian fundamentalist or adherent to any church or religious group. His “problems” were with the U.S. Government. His actions were condemned by everyone, and there were no public demonstrations cheering and celebrating his actions.

If you want to look at examples of how Islamic assimilation and open immigration policies have actually worked, look at Europe. They are now in the throes of trying to undo the previous policies, and they have serious problems. In general, Muslim immigrant populations do not “assimilate” but attempt to retain all of their previous cultural norms including Sharia Law. “Assimilating” in our western interpretation would be tantamount to apostasy since Islam does not separate religion from government or societal requirements. Any non-adherence to Islamic doctrine is not acceptable. And before anyone says, Emerson says assimilating means giving up your religion, regard what I am really saying without emotional context. Islam is not just a religion compared to our generally accepted view, separating church, state, and generally accepted societal norms and laws. It is all inclusive.

As to my experience in such matters; My first copy of the Koran is a 1915 printing of a translation by George Sales which I obtained in 1970. That’s over 40 years ago folks. I have two other translations which I obtained later in my career.

I graduated college with a degree in World History and I’ve picked up a couple of others along the way. I have read the Koran many times, not all of it mind you, it is very difficult to read with numerous historical references to events and places from the time it was written which have to be referenced to be understood. My Library is not just a room with a bookshelf. I have several thousand books including at last count 17, on the crusades alone, including several written by Islamic scholars of the time. My books on Islam other than the Korans, number several dozen.

Anyone who makes a statement such as, “Try reading the Koran,” tells me one thing clearly. I’m willing to bet you’ve never read the Koran.

In regard to firsthand experience, I have filled a stack of passports in my travels. I have been to the Middle East several times and know King Abdullah of Jordan personally, having been invited several times.

As to having read the Koran, I can safely say that I have read more than most Muslims have, since it is almost always taught by rote memorization in Arabic which millions of Muslims cannot even read.

I speak passable German, Russian and Arabic. I carried a Top Secret and Compartmentalized clearance for over twenty years. I did not just read a, ”couple of books”.

I have also had serious discussions with Imams in our local community to the point of being invited into debates by them.

So, in the end, yes I read their book, yes, I’ve been there, and yes I’ve studied their culture and religion both professionally and as a result of my personal interest. And that is why I stand by everything I have stated previously.

Ernest R. Emerson
 
as eloquently as your post was, i still have to disagree with you. my own personal experiences with Muslims and Arabs color my opinion. i respect that you stand by your opinion, and refuse to be cowed by leftist/liberal bully tactics, but i'm one of ones who's disappointed in you, mainly becuase i hold you in such high regard. i still do, but it's been lessened as of late.
 
“The left attacks with emotion, we debate with ideas and facts. When you are confronted by those who are not armed with truth, facts, historical evidence and research, you are in for a shouting match, for there is no grounds for serious debate. Always take the high road with them for that can never be looked upon as a fault.”

So true. You see it over and over again on the political forum.
 
Interestingly when there is a debate concerning the Koran with Muslims the Muslim apologists will resort to a tactic where they will claim that unless you can read the Koran in Arabic then you cannot argue against it. That seems like a method to shut people up more than anything else. When you know that most people cannot read or speak in Arabic then it's a way to manipulate the argument.

They claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world but technically it is the fastest growing "enforced" religion in the world. Doesn't Islam teach that "religion is not to be compulsory"??? Enforcing a religion upon your people seems fairly compulsory to me.


And yes.................the attacks are always present. In a proper debate you argue ideas and make statements. You don't attack the person bringing the message. That is not a philosophical debate...........it becomes more of a fist fight! Argumentum ad hominem solves nothing but that is all we see in todays political and religious climate. I think it comes from frustration and is a tactic we resort to when we cannot adequately defend our position.
 
Mr. E, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. I myself have a History degree and Master's to back it up. For someone with a History degree, you seem to have forgotten what history teaches. Much of what you are falsely stating about Muslims, was said in the past about, every other religion.

I am not a "liberal" as you put it. I am actually one of the majority of people in this country who are non-partisan. I served my country in the military until I was wounded on duty. I serve my country now as a LEO. I have taught, and continue to teach defensive tactics to LEOs. I have a martial arts background.

Now, out of all the above things I posted above, which can you say you have done, other than make knives and have a martial arts background. I and others waited for your response to my thread, but the comments by those that drink the kool-aid, forced me to close that thread (I was repeatedly asked to do in numerous emails because the comments were getting over the top on both sides).

As far as reading the Qu'ran (spelled properly), I did that too and wrote many a paper about it in one of my Master's courses. Again, I don't claim to support the religion, never have. However, you are making sweeping statements about a topic, which based on your comments, are highly biased and UN-SUPPORTED. There are many verses that can be quoted from the Qu'ran that are extremely controversial. The same can be said about many religious documents, to include the Tanakh (Hebrew bible), the Bible, the Vedas (Hindu bible), etc.

The liberal label is used by the right to label anyone who does not CONFORM to their doctrine. Your thread title is very accurate, I am still disappointed with Emerson. I gave you an opportunity for over a week to comment on the thread I posted. I am more than willing to re-open it and allow you to post there. Your choice. I am not afraid of you or anyone else on this, or any other forum. You can label me anyway you like, but I fight for what I believe in and just because your talented in making knives, does not mean that your opinion is what is the norm in this country. You have the right to say whatever you like, but I believe your opinions on this and other subjects outside the realm of knifemaking, are very hypocritical and biased.

If you feel so strongly about certain groups of people, why not put a disclaimer on the boxes of knives that you sell stating, "I will not sell my products to Illegal immigrants into the U.S.A., and Muslims." Did I leave anyone out of the list? Maybe I should add liberals, just to make sure the bias is well spread out.

Unlike the stereotype, I don't condemn the man, just his words and actions. My words to you about this are very strong. But, I was taught in grade school, the military, law enforcement, and my Sensei, to always stand up for what is right and defend your beliefs. I believe in the TRUTH, not unsupported sweeping statements.

Good Day Sir,

Sean L.
 
"As far as reading the Qu'ran (spelled properly), I did that too and wrote many a paper about it in one of my Master's courses."


Ummmmmmm.........isn't it technically supposed to be "Qur'an" ??????:rolleyes:

And since we are speaking of our educational backgrounds. This is one of my favorite quotes dealing with modern education-----

"We have educated ourselves into imbecility," quipped the noted English journalist Malcolm Muggeridge, as he bemoaned the many nefarious ideas that are shaping modern beliefs. Venting an identical disillusionment in his commentary on the American culture, George Will averred that there is nothing so vulgar left in our experience for which we cannot transport some professor from somewhere to justify it.":D
 
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"As far as reading the Qu'ran (spelled properly), I did that too and wrote many a paper about it in one of my Master's courses."


Ummmmmmm.........isn't it technically supposed to be "Qur'an" ??????:rolleyes:

Your absolutely right, I was typing faster than I was thinking. Thank you for correcting my error. But it is still closer than Koran in horseshoe pitching. LOL!!
 
Come on!!!! We aren't playing horseshoes here......................... Horseshoes is much more civil. This is more like "pin the tail on the liberal".:p

Also......if you were an American in a hostile land controlled by Muslim extremists how much weight and consideration would they place on your Master's thesis or papers written about the Qur'an? Would they consider that something to admire or would they go ahead and just kill you anyway?
 
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Mr Emerson I will quote your t-shirt...."Conservative and proud of it":thumbup: nuf said.
Thanks for stating your opinion. I agree with you whole heartedly.....and yea I am a college graduate as well.
 
Your absolutely right, I was typing faster than I was thinking. Thank you for correcting my error. But it is still closer than Koran in horseshoe pitching. LOL!!


I keep waiting for someone to say, "You have been typing without thinking this entire time!";)

Let's just all play nice and be "tolerant". We are not going to solve the world's problems here. Politics and religion have been debated for how many thousands of years?.......and nothing has been solved yet.
 
Dear Members,

Why does every time some says, "I don't want to get into a pissing contest, they are in fact getting into one?"

I certainly did not name any individuals in my post, as there were several who were guilty of the actions that I described. If anyone was not one of those individuals then why would they complain?

Now though, I will name someone. To Federal Knife Lover. Why do you feel threatened? No one threatened you or even came close.

Could you please state one more time, even louder, that you are an LEO, that you carry a gun and that you are a defensive tactics instructor and a martial artist and that you are not afraid of anyone? There may be some who did not get that yet. You're probably taller than me too.

Thank you for your attention to this subject. You have both intimidated me, bested me intellectually and proved me wrong all in one fell swoop. I stand beaten.

And you have proved my points succinctly. There is nothing more to say.

My Best Regards,

Ernest Emerson
One of those FOOLS!
 
The circus no longer wins............... This is truly THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH!

Even when it wasn't meant to be. I could only be happier if I could somehow score an Emerson custom mini CQC-8............................that is my grail!!!!!


And................I think it has been proven that having the mentality that you "are not afraid of anyone" is a sure fire certain way to a much quicker death.
 
I just figured out a way to become a millionaire. I'm going to print up "FedKnife Lover is a liberal" on t-shirts and sell them next to the Emerson booth during the Spirit of Steel Show in Knoxville!!!!! On the back we can print "I'm not afraid of anyone"/// and we can use one of the Emerson samurai logos below that.

This would surely be a big hit amongst the Emerson fans. :D


With all of the pain and sorrow I suffer over living in TN while my new born baby girl is with her mother living in FL this has surely brought me some brief joy..............:thumbup:
 
This my last post on this issue. As I can type until the cows come home and it won't make a difference:

"How is Islam and Liberals wrong and you are right? I don't advocate for any side buddy, just statements and actions that go against the tenants of this country's founding documents.

I personally disagree with both sides on a number of issues. But you know what they say about opinions. My probably is with you and the other people stating things as FACT (All Muslims believe this, or this group of people are like that), when it is impossible to know with any certainty that what you are saying is true. That is all I have ever said, that is fact!"
From another Thread.

Mr. E., nobody has intimidated, or even attempted to intimidate you. I am quick to admit that I am wrong, and I was wrong to think that posting my concerns about your opinions would change anything in your eyes. I have friends who are more conservative than you, in words and deeds. I tell them how I feel about issues, and they tell me how they feel about issues, but at the end of the day, we respect each other's opinion. However, I don't have friends who make flippant statments about whole groups of people and then fall behind the "they are all the same" shield.

If you feel the need to label me a Liberal, Jerk, idiot, dumb*ss, etc,. That is fine with me. But you know what I am saying is right sir.
 
"All Muslims"...strawman argument. All soldiers in an army don't fight either but armies are definitely warlike. Nazism is still genocidal despite the fact that most nazis never tried to murder anyone. Of course people don't all act the same. But groups certainly don't either.

The teachings of Islam as written in the Koran & the hadiths (yes, I've read them) are used to justify the intolerance, racism, sexism, abrogation of free expression, & fanatical violence we see from that group.The men doing these awful things point this out ad nauseum. Pointing this out doesn't go against any tenant of our country's founding documents.

Why is it that anyone criticizing the bigotry, racism, & intolerance of Islam gets called an intolerant racist bigot?
 
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