Stockman vs Whittler (GEC 81 vs 79)

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I saw the GEC 79 Montana Workhorse Whittler for the first time a few weeks back and was smitten... Upon further research I found the 81: a very classic Stockman.

I use all my knives and really like the Stockman pattern. While the 81 is a perfect Stockman, The Montana Whittler seems to have improved on the Stockman with an awesome spear main blade and nice thin but long secondary clip and Sheepsfoot blades.

So: if I can only get one, which would be better for the tasks you may find yourself doing in the woods (at the cabin, Deer Camp, scouting/setting up stands, or trout fishing)?

Other recommendations and pictures are very welcome.
 
I do think it's basically a matter of taste, and blade choice but...
I personally prefer the stockman construction (main blade alone on one spring, secondary blades opposite on another spring - or even on two separate ones) so that's my vote :)

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Usually the whittler has a heavy duty thicker main blade and the guys abusive to the one blade they use the most really like that because its going to be better at taking what usually breaks the other thinner blades. With that said, the smaller thinner more delicate blades rarely see use on most I think at least as far as working man using it daily. The stockman however gives a good regular thickness blade times three but most guys I see working with these 8ot folders and similar in Buck, Case and GEC are using the sheepsfoot blade most everytime I see one out. This was the case with the guys doing my door install from Sears and from Community builders both with teams that consisted of one gent that had a stockman pattern on them. I noted the 8ot of the Sears guy, Joe had a broke main blade tho on that clip so he used it too but he confessed to breaking them a lot!

I gave him a fresh 8ot out of my box. One of my several NIB old purchases. He came by about a year later with that one broke too! So I'd say if you are prone to breaking the tip third like some others that maybe you will be better off with the whittler. Joe said he likes the whittler I gave him. A Bull Dog Brand pattern in carbon steel I had here. Anyway, he has not broken the blade on that thicker main on this one but he wishes it was the lambfoot or sheepsfoot pattern more than the pointing one for whatever reason. The Wharncliffe is working but he says he misses that sheepsfoot so I suspect he'll be getting another stockman soon.

I'll tell you what would sell really well is a sway back sheepsfoot and someone needs to be making one. Even a sway back razor is in use in some pockets cause its so handy so I can see the swayback in green or black linen micarta with a nice flat grind sheepsfoot in there going serious viral with real world users especially if they made it with a thicker whittler type blade stock.
 
Also looking at: the Queen Cattle King in Amber Bone and the GEC Dixie Stockman (#82).
 
Stockman all the way. The #81 is a little more stout than the #82 IMO, the Dixie blades are however nice choices. You may also want to shop around for an old Schrade. Great steel, inexpensive and pretty much what always comes to mind when I hear "stockman". The Queen would be a great choice as well, it's been on my shortlist for awhile but something always seems to trump it.

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The Case 6375 Stockman is a robust and big knife. The blades are thicker than my #81. As said above the Sheepfoot gets most of the use as far as cutting packages, cutting down cardboard boxes, etc. But all three blades on the 6375 are stout on this big boy. If I was gonna whittle with a pocket knife it would be the large Stockman with it's sturdy Sheepfoot blade... I give it two thumbs up :)

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I snagged an 8OT off ebay a bit ago with the match strike long pull on it! Haven't seen many of those.
 
I wouldn't mind picking up a GEC 81 or 66 Stockman but I don't see much in the scale selection that tickles my fancy. Wonder if GEC is planning another run of these in the near future.
 
I find the #81 just fine in the pocket and hand but the #82 is even better. The round bolsters and lower lying blades improve comfort in both instances.
 
I find the #81 just fine in the pocket and hand but the #82 is even better. The round bolsters and lower lying blades improve comfort in both instances.

Thanks for the feedback. 81 would be a better selection for me I think. That clip on the 82 isn't for me.
 
Another thing about the 81 I've noted is that the spines of the Sheepfoot and Clip main are even. The Sheepfoot does not sit higher that the spine of the clip like most Stockman's do.

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I carry an 82 daily. It replaced my Case Stockman. It just carries so much better and feels a lot more substantial. I do HVAC service for a living so I've put it through hell in the short time I've had it. Everything from fiberglass duct board, zip ties, wire insulation, metal tape, etc. and it's held up fine. I prefer the Wharncliffe over a sheepsfoot because of the pointier tip and much prefer the drop point over the usual Spey blade.
 
I'll gander most people have more experience with a stockman knife, and from what others have shown and described, I doubt anyone could go wrong GEC's #81.

That said, I love my #79. There's no accounting for taste, and for whatever reason(s) this one appeals to me over against others mentioned in this thread.

Here's part of a post from a dedicated #79 Workhorse Whittler thread showing each of the three blades (including the potential discomfort when using the secondaries, especially):

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Me, I wanted the glorious excess of blade, a three-springer sleeker than a two-bladed #25, and something un-similar to my other knives.

Clearly, the ergonomics of the 3-spring version are at their best when using the main blade:
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The two sleek secondaries tuck into the frame neatly; folded fingers can hold the handle firmly without running into their spines.

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Just as clearly, the spine of the main blade is a significant presence, affecting the grip when using either of the two secondaries. Wouldn't it be delightful if, when using the wharnfoot or clip, the knife looked something like this?

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But instead, we have this:
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Surprisingly comfortable, but with that spine to work with and around.

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Wharncliffe open, there's a lot going on right here-- including the sharp back of the closed clip's tang that I'll be rounding some (the angle of this picture intentionally exaggerates how much it actually protrudes, but it's a factor):
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From the other side:
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There's enough room at the front of the closed main for my finger to tuck comfortably, while holding the (rest of) the handle firmly in-hand with the main's spine falling under my folded fingers. While my fingers do rest on the spine, most of the weight and pressure are on the handle. Someone with larger hands will likely have more clearance:
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That's a high spine....
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Similar ergonomics when using the clip blade-- room in front of the spear main for a firm grip.
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I hadn't really thought about the knife's dis/comfort until asked, which indicates to me that either 1) I'm so smitten, any and all accommodations and even pain are covered o'er in love or 2) the knife is relatively comfortable in hand, whatever blade is in use.

(Door #3 may also prove valid. ;))

Considering matters of comfort more carefully in composing this response, I'm noticing the tang heels more and will attend to them accordingly (breaking their edges slightly so they're not so spiky in hand, including that of the spear main). The closed spear is a major presence when using the other blades, but worth the intuitive, workaround grips for me.

great pattern, so small yet so many nice big blades, I especially like seeing top and bottom shots of them, the three backsprings together look very cool.

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Some of the secret to the knife's thinness, the lack of inner scales:
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And oh, the criss-crossed goodness:
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Hope this helps!

~ P.
 
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