Stolen Knife

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I found out when this stolen knife was sold. It was just a few months after it was stolen.
If you have seen it or if you know which James Parker this might be, please let me know.
I would like to know who sold it to James Parker.

"Hi I'm James Parker and I am offering some super knives for auction from a recent collection purchase, a great find. Personal checks, money orders, and Pay Pal gladly accepted. TN residents pay 9.25% state sales tax. Winning bidder pays $6.75 for UPS or USPS Priority Mail Shipping with Delivery Confirmation and Insurance included in the Shipping price. Thanks.
This knife for auction is an outstanding Palehorse Granger Fighters Genuine Stag Custom Knife, 10 1/2" overall with a 5 5/8" blade. This knife features a brass guard and a type of exotic burled wood spacer, it may be quincewood. Whatever it is, it looks awesome.
This Genuine Stag Palehorse Granger Fighter is complete in the original issue Genuine Leather Sheath and being offered at No Reserve. Thanks for your bids, we appreciate it."

 
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The James Parker you are looking for is eBay user "silverladdie." He uses the exact same wording in his auction listings.

His father (now deceased) was the well-knows James Parker who was heavily involved in the knife industry years ago; he owned Case Knives for a period for example.
 
Bob W said:
The James Parker you are looking for is eBay user "silverladdie." He uses the exact same wording in his auction listings.

His father (now deceased) was the well-knows James Parker who was heavily involved in the knife industry years ago; he owned Case Knives for a period for example.
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This is correct. Also try here -

http://www.bulldogknives.org/ .
 
Blades&Bullets said:
Were you going to try and have the knife returned to you since it is stolen property, or just find the thief??
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Ideally, I would like to have the knife back. I would also like to confront the thief by email or phone and ask him why he stole 80 hours of my life and blood, sweat, passion and toil.
 
Thanks for identifying James "Buzz" Parker. When I saw the name and read that he was a purveyor of knives, I thought it was him, but couldn't be sure.
I have met his father several times at the knife show that he organized in Sevierville, TN. I have even met James a couple times.

I sent James an email with a pic of the knife, a link to the sales thread, a link to three BOLOs on three forums that I posted in Aug of 2006 ( three months before he sold the knife).
I told him I knew he was a good businessman and knew he would want to do the right thing, which I truly believe.
Now all I have to do is wait for a reply.

Thanks very much for your help!
Paul
 
A thief of property, having no title to property, cannot convey good title in the stolen property to anyone who purchases that property from the thief. The buyer from the thief is simply out what he paid, regardless of his "good faith."
 
Thomas Linton said:
A thief of property, having no title to property, cannot convey good title in the stolen property to anyone who purchases that property from the thief. The buyer from the thief is simply out what he paid, regardless of his "good faith."
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Unfortunately that's not always true. Look up "bona fide purchaser."
 
Kru03 said:
Unfortunately that's not always true. Look up "bona fide purchaser."
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I did say "thief" and we are in the United States.

Fortunately, the United States, and specifically Florida among those states, follow the "theft rule" under which the thief cannot pass any title whatsoever to anyone under any circumstances. If the wrongful possessor acquired possession by fraud, as contrasted to theft, the situation is more complicated, but the facts here are that the property was stolen. Until a few years ago, Florida police "Pawn Squads" simply seized stolen goods from pawn shops and returned it to the owners. (Now the pawn shop has a right to a hearing before, almost always, being ordered to return the goods to the owner. Insurance is a pawn broker's friend.)

As in all civil actions, suit to recover the stolen property must be brought within the applicable "statute of limitations" (often, three years). Three years from when? That varies. In some states, the statute of limitations for an action to recover stolen property from a possessor down the chain from the thief runs from the time the owner knew OR should reasonably have known who had the stolen property. No benefit in waiting.

If the current possessor knew or should have known that the knife was stolen, he may face criminal charges for receiving stolen property. That could be felony rap.

This is not legal advice nor should it be taken as legal advice. It is, to my knowledge, accurate.

Laws regarding negotiable instruments (checks, bills, etc.) are more complicated and totally irrelevant here, as are the laws of other nations.

"Nemo dat quod non habet." There, I used Latin. It must be so.
 
Well, he evidently feels no responsibility about selling my stolen property...

Hello Paul,
I see the Worthpoint link, but I don't remember at all who we bought that knife from, nor do I have records going back that long.
I honestly don't even remember the knife as we sell thousands of items on Ebay every year. Did you get more than that knife stolen and if so, did you recover anything?
I wish I could help you Paul.
Thanks,
James Parker
 
If this "businessman" had any morals at all he would simply return the knife to you. Failing that, is there any action that you can take through ebay itself? It seems that they would be culpable in the crime of possessing stolen property if they allowed the sale to continue on their site.
 
Can you clarify - Does Parker still have the knife, or has he sold it on? If he still has it and is now aware that it is stolen property, he should know that his legal obligation is to return it to you. Selling it would be a criminal act.
 
Show him your police report on that stolen knife.
 
He doesn't have ANY records of who he has bought COLLECTIONS of high end custom$$ from??

shane_o_ca said:
If this "businessman" had any morals at all he would simply return the knife to you. Failing that, is there any action that you can take through ebay itself? It seems that they would be culpable in the crime of possessing stolen property if they allowed the sale to continue on their site.
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HappyDaddy said:
Can you clarify - Does Parker still have the knife, or has he sold it on? If he still has it and is now aware that it is stolen property, he should know that his legal obligation is to return it to you. Selling it would be a criminal act.
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GK says in post #7 that Parker sold the knife about three months after he posted the BOLOs on different forums. Also, it was stolen and resold in 2006, but somehow got the information just recently .
 
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So, help me understand this. The knife was stolen in 2006 and Parker somehow got it and then sold it later in 2006? It's now 2014.
People are expecting him to produce records of where he got it, sold it on ebay, etc. etc.???
I know Parker has issues - no doubt. I will not vouch for him one bit.
But, to bring all this out 8 years later and think that guy is just going to hand over money in this situation seems a bit irrational.
He ain't going to do it.
 
grangerknives said:
Well, he evidently feels no responsibility about selling my stolen property...

Hello Paul,
I see the Worthpoint link, but I don't remember at all who we bought that knife from, nor do I have records going back that long.
I honestly don't even remember the knife as we sell thousands of items on Ebay every year. Did you get more than that knife stolen and if so, did you recover anything?
I wish I could help you Paul.
Thanks,
James Parker
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What else could Parker do, since the knife has already passed through his hands? :confused:

eBay keeps their auction records available online for 90 days; my own record keeping is much shorter than that.

Here's the Worthpoint page. You can see that Mr. Parker sold this knife at auction in 2006, eight years ago.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/custom-handmade-knife-genuine-stag-granger-fighter
 
Yes, I know that a lot of time had passed. I didn't get a police report because I didn't notice it until I was packing up for the next show. If it were a $3000 knife, it would be different. But it was a $300 knife.

If it were me, I'd pony up $300 so I could sleep well and because I'd have one man in the world that would swear to his dying day that I treated him right when I didn't have to. But it wasn't me. It was Jim Parker. And he doesn't feel any remorse about selling stolen property. Anytime you sell stolen property, you commit a crime.

But I will ask the Lord to enable me to forgive the one who stole it from me and the fence who passed it on. And when I forgive them, it won't matter to anyone. Because Jesus gave us one prayer. In it we ask God to forgive us AS we forgive others. So there will be forgiveness.

Thanks everyone and may God bless you all, especially Jim Parker.
 
I can sympathize with your situation, and certainly don't excuse anyone who steals or knowingly fences.

But can you empathize with Mr. Parker? He buys a knife somewhere, perhaps from a horse-trading buddy, a knife show, or even a pawn shop. Then, being a knife dealer, he re-sells it. It's likely he only had personal possession of the knife for a couple of weeks. Then over time, perhaps hours after mailing it, he forgets all about it and the details are lost in time: where it came from, where it went, or even what he spent the sale profits on.

Then many years later, from out of the blue, he gets a message from someone he doesn't know and has never met claiming the knife was stolen and he should just send this man $300 to sleep better at night. $300 for a knife that passed through his business eight years earlier and that he has no recollection of...

How many people traded or sold the knife before Mr. Parker received it? How many have bought, sold, or traded it after him? How much did Mr. Parker even make on the sale? IMO, for you to feel that Mr. Parker owes you for the full value of the knife just because he once possessed for a brief period of time eight years ago is unfair to Mr Parker. Should every person who has bought/sold that knife over the last eight years also send you $300? If I (having forgotten all about this entire BladeForums conversation by then) buy it next week at an antique store for $100 and sell it on eBay for $150... should I owe you $300 as well?

Thieves suck, but please be realistic about who is actually to blame for the theft and how much an unknowing participant should be burdened with providing your compensation.
 
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