Stop pins seated directly in G10?

[SwissHeritageCo]

So I was eyeballing a very simply designed folder for purchase the other day and watching a disassembly on youtube when I noticed that it only had a steel liner on one side (linerlock) and that the stop pin seated directly into the G10 on the "linerless" side. Basically the stop pin was only secured by steel on a single side.

Now I'm sure it's perfectly strong enough for normal cutting use, but one of the reasons I carry a 3.4"-3.6" folder is the ability to stab if need be (yes, however unlikely).

My question is, does G10 really have that kind of strength? I know linerless knives exist, (hell I think spyderco even has stop pins directly into micarta)... or should I pass in lieu of no stabby?

 

[Danke42]

G10 and other composites are "really strong".

But the real key is what effort the maker has put in. Not naming them and the knife model makes it impossible to say.

And of course obligatory "if you're stabbin' stuff get a fixed blade".

 

[WValtakis]

I've blown out a stop pin hole in linerless G-10 like you mentioned, but it was doing something stupid...don't baton linerlocks

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

G10 and other composites are "really strong".

But the real key is what effort the maker has put in. Not naming them and the knife model makes it impossible to say.

And of course obligatory "if you're stabbin' stuff get a fixed blade".

Kizer... and I was waiting for that obligatory.

 

[ferider]

If you add CF, a bunch of knives are like this, including some ZT (G10 and CF) and CRK (CF).

I was always suspicious myself and tried to avoid them .... it gets worse for me when the Pivot sits in G10/CF as well, like in some Spydercos, for instance.

Then again, maybe just my OCD ....

 

[jux t]

Many cold steels use linerless g10 and seem plenty strong.

 

[DocJD]

Cold Steel's toughest folders do have metal liners , but many are just unreinforced G10 for the structural body/handle slabs .

These were all designed before GSM , when they still tested in-house .

 

[DocJD]

Many cold steels use linerless g10 and seem plenty strong.

beat me to it !

 

[edgelion]

There is a persistent, collective trepidation regarding composites that is probably undeserved. I know it, because i feel it, too. Something about steel just "feels" like it'll hold up better than "plastic" despite all data that refutes the notion. You can rationally accept that, as engineered, tested, and produced, there should never be an issue with this specific application in real world use. Yet, we all have those examples in the back of our minds of that time a polymer broke down and failed on us, flexed or warped too far, cracked in the worst spot, melted, froze and crumbled, delaminated or peeled, or just plain don't seem right. Course, if we're being honest, there's a couple times metal didn't meet expectations, either. Hmmm...

Shorter answer is on paper and in reality, yes, G10 is that strong. For me, until I get over my own bias, I'll prefer a full steel frame just so I don't fret about it.

 

[ferider]

Shorter answer is on paper and in reality, yes, G10 is that strong. For me, until I get over my own bias, I'll prefer a full steel frame just so I don't fret about it.

There are different types of mechanical stress … you can try yourself:

1) try to break a g10 scale compared to bending/breaking a steel liner. Near impossible, G10 is great

2) take a file and grind off some G10. Then, do the same with a steel liner, piece of steel, etc. Filing G10 is comparatively easy.

My problem is specifically with 2) and stop pins, pivots, etc. We all know how only a minor reduction in stop pin diameter can affect a frame lock. So I remain uncomfortable with a stop pin sitting directly in G10 for frame locks in particular. With hard use, the G10 hole will open up.

 

[David Mary]

Strong enough in the right thickness and grain orientation for a stop pin, or a pivot. In the wrong grain orientation, thickness, or construction, it is a catastrophic failure waiting to happen.

 

[David Mary]

We all know how only a minor reduction in stop pin diameter can affect a frame lock. So I remain uncomfortable with a stop pin it sitting in G10 for frame locks in particular. With hard use, the G10 hole will open up

That's a good point.

 

[Danke42]

Kizer... and I was waiting for that obligatory.

Get this one. It's a slip joint so if you're stabbing stuff you're already in the bad books.

 

[DocJD]

With hard use, the G10 hole will open up.

Unless there is actual rotation / rubbing of steel against G10 , I don't think so .

But for them that worry : AD10 3V Ti !

 

[Steely_Gunz]

Many cold steels use linerless g10 and seem plenty strong.

Yep, and not many people are killing a CS by blowing out a stop pin unless they are trying to break it.

G10 is crazy strong if one is using a folder as a folder...or sometimes a folder cosplaying as a fixed blade in a pinch

Personally, unless I am carrying a folder to do extra hardcore duty, then I appreciate the lightweight of the linerless G10 for EDC.

 

[norcalAF]

McNees does them like that for their G10 models.

 

[patrickguignot]

Many cold steels use linerless g10 and seem plenty strong.

I have the "American Lawman" and the "Ultimate Hunter" models and they are super strong knives. In particular the "Ultimate Hunter" is a beast.