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I think I saw a post on this recently, but i don't recall seeing a final answer to the question though. So, my appologies if this is too much of a repeat and if i am bringing up stuff you already talked about.

This site has some farily negative things sot say about the strength of a Green Beret and a Project I believe. Have a look at the videos.

http://www.knifetests.com/KnifeTestsPage2.html

The message seems to be that thre is weak point near the start of the serrations towards the handle. Both knives break in the same spot. Thy both break 'early' during the test in comparison to other, much cheaper knives.

Aside from the 'scientific quality' of the tests and testing environment, any thoughts on the knives themselves and what this may be related to?

Has CR responded to this anywhere?

P.S. I love my Sebenza 21. I would not trade it in for anything. :)
 
Here's the post I made the last time this was asked (hint: check out the links).

JAB said:
...The "tests" conducted by noss4 and his ilk are the subject of much contention and usually inspire (how can I delicately phrase this?) rather spirited discussion :D by both their proponents and detractors. Even when a question such as yours is asked in all innocence, the threads are pretty much looked upon as a big ole can of worms being opened since they tend to degenerate rather quickly.

Have a look through these (if you dare...:D) to give you an idea of what I'm talking about. ;)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600280&highlight=reeve

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543407&highlight=reeve
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Maybe a sticky of some sort is in order...:rolleyes:
 
As far as I know, CRK has made no official response to the Knifetests videos. I don't think they take them seriously.
 
If you watch Noss's tests, its clear he goes out of his way to destroy Chris Reeve Knives, while he babies Busse, he even covers his face , so this is just his agenda and those of us that know and love CRK, we take his actions with a grain of salt. Any knife can be damaged if used in a way it was not designed for. Knives are made to cut, chop, and other cutting actions. NOT to PRY, hit with steel hammers, etc. I have a LARGE CRK collection and these tests in NO WAY have made me change my stance on the High Quality of Anything CRK Makes !
 
I take the opposite side of most here.

Since CRK fixed blade knives are supposed to be tough, and the ones measured where something like .2" thick, they should be able to take most anything.
 
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Kind regards,

Jos
 
I am somewhat disjointedness to see the results but all knives have their strengths and weaknesses and you can tailor any test to any of these characteristics. I am surprised to see them fail as they did as I have used a Small Sebenza to baton a 2x4 and its S30V blade is 1) thinner and 2) have a higher Rockwell hardness theoretically making them LESS impact resistant

I have not used the GB extensively hard but I have used the 9in Hollow Handle fixed blades for heavy outdoor usage. Some would say bushcraft, some logging, some yardwork, some tactical, etc. As a general rule, when you are outside, you (or at least I have) batoned with your knife and another piece of wood. I enjoyed using the Jeroboam MkIV outside before developing a chronic pain disability. If you want to loan me your GB, I will gladly use it hard, make a video, and show you they are hard work knives for the activities in which they were designed for.

I am a fan of the knife testing videos as they are impressive to watch and I admire the authors for risking themselves as severe injury and even death can occur when doing the things they do. I am not as extreme as they are but I give them many props. You must also realize that the authors likely realize they are using these knives for things they were never designed for and this is why they leave the final decision up to you. Depending upon what you use your knife for will depend if the reviews are helpful to you or not. A Kukri is used very differently than a Bowie and vice versa.

I broke the blade of a relatively expensive CRK folder off in an elevator shaft not too long ago and at no point did I have any worry about the ability of the knife nor did I ever try to make a warranty claim as the knife did not have any defect. I used the knife as a pry-bar which it was never made to be but when you are in a small box with loud alarms which won't let you out, you panic and don't think. I had a knife with a slim titanium handle on it and despite the fact that titanium is extremely strong, flexible and hard as hell to break, I used the steel blade instead like an idiot. Ultimately, what survived of the knife was enough to get me out of a 5x7x8 foot box and despite the broken blade, if anything, I like the knife even more now. The point of the above is that when you use a tool for something other than its intentioned design, you risk: 1) damaging the tool and 2) damaging yourself. In the real world, sometimes all you have is a pocket knife, a wallet, a belt and a cell phone and because of this, you may use your knife for something other than what it was intentioned for. If you do this and the knife fails, consider that it is not fault of the knife or knife maker. The value of a multi-tool like a Leatherman is a great addition to your carry folder or FB.

Just my two cents...
 
nyefmaker said:
If you watch Noss's tests, its clear he goes out of his way to destroy Chris Reeve Knives, while he babies Busse, he even covers his face , so this is just his agenda and those of us that know and love CRK, we take his actions with a grain of salt. Any knife can be damaged if used in a way it was not designed for. Knives are made to cut, chop, and other cutting actions. NOT to PRY, hit with steel hammers, etc. I have a LARGE CRK collection and these tests in NO WAY have made me change my stance on the High Quality of Anything CRK Makes !
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What?...............in what video does this happen? He doesn't "baby" any knife...regardless of brand. Some break before others and the Busse lasted longer, so is that babying a knife?
 
To be honest, I am not sure how to find links/threads on this site other than to look through the entire history of posts.

I also don't want to keep dragging up old crap like this if its not needed.

Thanks again for being patient and accommodating this question.

Perhaps a sticky and some commentary from CR would be good.

However, I do understand not responding to this. If they did, they would be in some way putting the tester on the same footing as themselves and making them relevant. They may not want that. I don't know the motivation.
 
Search function is busted for non paying members, so not entirely your fault on that end.

I think as far in as it is, it's a catch 22 in the PR department whether they respond or not. Dignifying the test with a response would indicate he has a) validity or b)ired them enough to need such. However even if they don't reply there'll be people such as us who will discuss it endlessly either blaming them as a company or Noss as a tester (which would flare up into an even heavier debate if they were to say something one way or another to him)

The only real way this is going to go down in any direct is if a third party gets their hands on another GB and smashes that one for a while. Of course I'm not being offered a free knife to go trash by CRK, nor would I want to go do such to one of their products, so I think this'll remain an issue for the time being.
 
I'v have been using CRK fixed blades for a while now and have used them for a good range of stuff.
I have never had any problems and IMO edge retention and comfort during use are of more interest than any thing else.
I dont care how well they handle being hit, slaped, jumped on or spat at, they do just fine for me.
 
I just posted the same thing in the genarel knife fourm. Most of the replys were basicly, knifetests.com is stuped and you dont do that to a knife, and Chris Reeve knives are $300 junk. I dont think that we will ever get the scientific reply, that we want. Some have posted some helpfull replys mostly haveing to do with the serrations causeing a week spot. I think that for some reason if the knife was a wal mart knife, there would be some great replys, talking about posible defects. I am a huge Chris Reeve fan, and I think that knifetests.com is great. If they crash and destroy brand new cars to find week areas, why not knives. I just wish that Nos would test 2 or 3 of the same knife, but I totaly understand why he does not $$$.
 
I think anyone who thinks that is how to test a knife is nuts. In real usage, these knives are top shelf.
 
+ 1 agree with Jos and TKC.

Just curious, by bringing up this horse from the Dead again were you interested because you really use your knives like the videos?

I don't put one shred of belief behind these videos because IMO not every knife is treated exactly the same. If it were done by some sort of calibrated machine, I may listen but to me, I feel the video maker goes very easy on some of the other brands.

If I were to try and penetrate a steel drum with a fixed blade; I know at some point it is going to break. Therefore, its the wrong tool for the job. Why not pick the right tool from the start? Possibly something that costs a whole lot less? Something from a carpenters tool crib perhaps?

Just me, but I thought knives were meant for cutting.



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RNST said:
+ 1 agree with Jos and TKC.

Just curious, by bringing up this horse from the Dead again were you interested because you really use your knives like the videos?

I don't put one shred of belief behind these videos because IMO not every knife is treated exactly the same. If it were done by some sort of calibrated machine, I may listen but to me, I feel the video maker goes very easy on some of the other brands.

If I were to try and penetrate a steel drum with a fixed blade; I know at some point it is going to break. Therefore, its the wrong tool for the job. Why not pick the right tool from the start? Possibly something that costs a whole lot less? Something from a carpenters tool crib perhaps?

Just me, but I thought knives were meant for cutting.



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My thoughts exactly, I am glad I am not the only one that feels the video maker goes easy on other brands.
 
The steel Busse uses is advertised to bend at extreme angles and with the properties in their steel, they can do that. I have 2 Busse and would never think of doing these thigns to either. S30V AND A2 steels are not as flexable and after repeaded abuse at odd angles would fail. In the end, I will always purchase and support CRK due to the expreiences I HAVE with their products and not by what the man behind the mask says......The End
 
Besides those ridiculous "tests", I am wondering how many legitimate Chris Reeve users suffered some sort of structural failure during regular use. I mean, if those knives had a flaw of some sort, how come they made Chris Reeve's reputation what it is today (I am thinking of the one-piece line), way before the Sebenzas existed.
Also, if CRK did not know how to heat treat their blades, I doubt Crucible would have asked them to be the lead manufacturer when testing S30V and now S35VN.
 
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