Strider and Hinderer fakes

spyderwire

spyderwire

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Ok, so I've recently started collecting knives, and have more Busse's than anything right now. I was in the middle of a trade deal for a Strider and I noticed the blade had no markings, and the hole on the back was not center to the milling done... I stopped and passed on the deal because of all of the pictures I had seen, I have never seen one with an off center hole. Anyway, I started doing lots of research on the subject, and I have found through pictures from Strider's site, and dealers that Striders seem to change little things every now and then. I also noticed a lot of really good looking fakes... I say fakes even though they look identical to the read deal because they are being sold for $100, and others are directly from China... Then I looked in Hinderers, and well... same thing. So, I am wondering, does anyone know a fool proof way, or design for either (please add pictures) that one could use to tell a fake from the real deal? This would be greatly appreciated as I really want a Strider or Hinderer, but don't want to get screwed.

Here are pictures of knives that I know are fake because the price, and where they are coming from. An example would be the two Hinderers, they were offered for a deal that was hard to pass up... These are not the best pictures of Striders, for some reason the computer wouldn't let me copy any of the page info for the ones that I have seen as the best. So, does anyone know how to spot the fakes? Does Strider make blades that are sterile?

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Your best bet is to post on here before making a purchase or a trade. Some of them are obvious to the more experienced eye just by looking at the configuration (scale, blade grind, color). Btw your pics don't work.
 
Regarding the Hinderers...the one on the bottom (wannabe bowie grind) is obviously a fake. That is one of the more rare Hinderer grinds that demands a 4 figure price and those who own them rarely part with them. I know more than one collector on the hunt for one. The Hinderer forum is your best bet for info on spotting fakes and getting info if you're in doubt. If you google "Hinderer Bowie grind" you will see what they're really worth. You will also see what they're really supposed to look like. As far as Striders go, I have never seen a sterile one. That's not to say they don't exist...but I've been into them for a long time and haven't seen a sterile one yet. Your best bet there is to email Josh at Strider with a pic and he'll give you the 4-1-1 on the knives. When in doubt...only purchase from a reputable dealer when possible. If the deal goes down on here and the seller/trader is trying to pass on fakes then report them to the mods for such. Fakes/counterfeits/clones are not welcome here.
 
The striders are more obvious. As for the Hinderers the bottom one is real, but the bowie is a fake. The scary thing is that it was a pretty good fake because at first glance I almost thought it was the real deal. Upon closer inspection the lockbar side screws are not correct and there is just something "off" about the blade grind, the "HINDERER" letters, and the pivot screw as well. These fakes are getting better and better.
 
spyderwire said:
The bottom Hinderer was offered up at the same time, not real, and from over seas.
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Please provide a few more details...pm me if you have to, but that level of fake has not been seen yet. Rick laser etched his latest knives to prevent this from happening, so if they have copied it then it is best to let Rick/Rob know about it.
 
The Logical One said:
Pretty hard to believe that the bottom one is fake. I can't spot a single thing on there that is off.
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That is the same problem I'm having...I have seen these offered from overseas by servicemen/women that purchased legit knives and now need the cash. Address is not always indicative of a fake.
 
I have neither real nor fake versions of these knives, but I have watched some VERY detailed comparison videos on YouTube and if the fake producers are smart, they are watching them too...
 
I have already emailed from the websites that I found about what I have found, and more info on what to look for... My problem is I want to trade a busse for one, so buying from a reputable dealer isn't an option...Here is another one with yet a closer laser engraving:
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All they have to do with that one is replace the 4 clip screws with phillips heads and it would fool lots of people... Some of the little bastards on ebay are putting real Hinderer hardware on the fakes (standoffs and screws). So, is there any other fool proof way, or are they just getting too good?
 
I also gota call Jerry again because in my searches I've found Busse's being offered from China now. They look like crap, but tbey're trying to replicate his big fixed blade knives now also.
 
spyderwire said:
I have already emailed from the websites that I found about what I have found, and more info on what to look for... My problem is I want to trade a busse for one, so buying from a reputable dealer isn't an option...Here is another one with yet a closer laser engraving:

All they have to do with that one is replace the 4 clip screws with phillips heads and it would fool lots of people... Some of the little bastards on ebay are putting real Hinderer hardware on the fakes (standoffs and screws). So, is there any other fool proof way, or are they just getting too good?
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What makes you think this one is a fake? Got any more pics? Clip screws haven't always been Phillips by the way, Hinderer Knives used Torx and Allen prior to converting to Phillips.

Spend some time in this thread and you will learn more about XMs:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...s-Generations-History-and-General-Information
 
Scary how the phonies are getting good enough to make experienced forum members debate their authenticity...but yeah price will almost always give 'em away.
 
Here is the thing about dealing with fakers--how do you know that they will deliver the knife they say they will? Isn't it naive to think they would? Basing decisions on pictures from a poorly reputed seller is prolly even more naive, what is to stop them from posting real pictures of Hinderers, Striders etc and instead sending you faked crap? Or perhaps nothing at all?

It seems to me that parsing these pictures is besides the point. If I were selling fakes of x I would sell it with pictures of x, not my faked copy. I think we are projecting our system of morals (I.e. having any) onto these fakers.
 
RDA said:
What makes you think this one is a fake? Got any more pics? Clip screws haven't always been Phillips by the way, Hinderer Knives used Torx and Allen prior to converting to Phillips.

Spend some time in this thread and you will learn more about XMs:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...s-Generations-History-and-General-Information
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Um, these are all ones that have been offered to me for sale for under $100. The Hinderer photo's are from a guy that bought them as fakes, and is selling them as such. The Hinderer photo that I mentioned they could just replace the torx screws on is from a Chinese dealer for $60.
 
I guess as far as everything goes, telling the "new" fakes from the real deal is impossible now...
 
A friend gave me this knife she bought at a flea market, for Xmas. She didn't know it was a fake. I don't know what model Strider it's a fake of.

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