Strider SJ-75. A Pictorial review.."Move over SNG CC the SJ-75 is a better EDC"

I'm back and forth on this knife. I kind of like the looks, but something about it throws me off. I've heard good things about them "straight from the box". By good things I mean that I hear they don't need to be sent back in for the usual list of Strider problems. I have no doubt that it cuts well, but I have a hard time believing that a coated blade with a hollow grind slices just as well as an uncoated full flat ground blade. Blade geometry says that it can't be so.
 
That is incorrect statement. Hollow ground blades usually out slice full flat ground blades. The hollow ground edge is thinner farther into the blade and is always a more effortless slicer. Touching up the sharpness of a hollow ground blade is much easier. The only down fall of a hollow grond is its strength. A hollow ground blade made out of cheap steel or not heat treated correctly will compromise it strength. That's not a issue with Strider.

I have a hard time believing that a coated blade with a hollow grind slices just as well as an uncoated full flat ground blade. Blade geometry says that it can't be so.
 
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Nice review, great pictures.
Love that Strider, very nice to see it next to the Para 2.
 
That's old news. My personal opinion on the matter is:
I dont care if he once claimed he was Santa Claus. He designs and produces a really good USA knife. His knife making skills and support for the military has preceeded all that crap. IT is unfortunate but if the military still uses Strider, that's good enough for me. My personal experiences with the Strider company were great. They went way out of their way to accommodate me.

There is a good reason you see a lot of anti-strider comments on bladeforums.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/453852-Mick-Strider-has-some-explaining-to-do
 
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That's old news. My personal opinion on the matter is:
I dont care if he once claimed he was Santa Claus. He designs and produces a really good USA knife. His knife making skills and support for the military has preceeded all that crap. IT is unfortunate but if the military still uses Strider, that's good enough for me. My personal experiences with the Strider company were great. They went way out of their way to accommodate me.

Is it the military that uses Strider or is it some people in the military use Strider? There's a big difference.

Does the military actually contract with Strider? If so, which branch? Just curious why the military would get involved with an ex-con poser who probably got kicked out of the military.
 
I already took the SJ-75 apart to see how it was made. I added the pics. See original review at the top.
 
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Great review, The SJ75 is a gorgeous design! Mick's eye for aesthetics is very underrated. Would love to own one if I was a rich man..
 
That is incorrect statement. Hollow ground blades usually out slice full flat ground blades. The hollow ground edge is thinner farther into the blade and is always a more effortless slicer. Touching up the sharpness of a hollow ground blade is much easier. The only down fall of a hollow grond is its strength. A hollow ground blade made out of cheap steel or not heat treated correctly will compromise it strength. That's not a issue with Strider.

Actually, this is an incorrect statement. Hollow ground knives do not slice better than full flat ground knives. You get to a point on a hollow ground knife where the grind is not there anymore and you know have a flat piece of blade to deal with that offers resistance. Flat ground blades slice better because they are flat all the way up to the spine and do not offer resistance due to the flat piece of blade.

Blade geometry does not lie. It doesn't matter what someone believes is true. Fact is fact. Also, any knife with a coating on it will offer more resistance than a knife without a coating so the statement that the coated and hollow ground SJ-75 slices better than the uncoated flat ground Spyderco is nonsense. I understand that you are happy and excited with your new knife, but to make flat out false statements isn't necessary. Take some time out to chat with someone who makes knives for a living and learn about the different grinds and blade geometry.

Like I said, I have no doubt that the SJ-75 cuts well, but it simply can not slice better than a full flat ground blade that has an edge that is as sharp.
 
Who said this is a "fact"?? Where are you getting this fact from? State your source because it is incorrect. On a hollow grind, the flat piece at the end of the hollow grind is not wider than the cut so there cant be any more resistance than what a full flat grind can create. In fact, the resistance as the material slides up the sides of a the blade is more on a full flat grind because this resistance is always present through the entire cut across the blade. Lets not forget slicing doesn't have to go through the entire blade stock to begin with. This is why a hollow ground will slice better because it is simply a thinner piece of steel doing the work. I believe blade geometry doesnt lie and thats why it supports my point of view. I also agree that, all things being equal, a coated blade will have a minute more amount of friction than a non coated blade.

Actually, this is an incorrect statement. Hollow ground knives do not slice better than full flat ground knives. You get to a point on a hollow ground knife where the grind is not there anymore and you know have a flat piece of blade to deal with that offers resistance. Flat ground blades slice better because they are flat all the way up to the spine and do not offer resistance due to the flat piece of blade.

Blade geometry does not lie. Fact is fact.

Here is 2 minutes of research on this that supports why a hollow ground always slices better:

Hollow Grind:
The blade made with this grind is essentially "scooped" out each side, leaving a thin but very sharp edge. This grind really shines when it comes to slicing and can be made to slice/slash at high performance levels. The hollow grind is not necessarily the best for impact, chopping or hard outdoor use such as a camp knife might see. The thin edge which gives it the sharp slicing ability also makes it weak for these harder use chores.



Flat Grind or Taper Grind:
The flat grind is a continuous bevel beginning at the spine of the blade and continuing evenly through the width of the blade to the edge. The thickness of the blade decreases as the bevel nears the edge, but the decrease is linear and flat as opposed to the hollow grind which makes a concave surface on the blade. The flat grind is basically "in between" the convex grind and hollow grind. It does incorporate some of the best characteristics of each. The edge can be made quite sharp, like the hollow grind, but is also more resilient to higher levels of impact, like the convex grind. The flat grind can be outdone on each end of the spectrum by the hollow and convex grinds, but as a general use grind to handle everything, the flat grind is an excellent choice.

From Masters knife maker Jay Fisher:


Any knife grind that creates a thin enough edge can be made sharp, and can be made to cut various materials. The shape of the blade does matter when it comes to cutting friction, and resistance while the knife blade is deep in the cut. Just what grind has the least and most resistance to cutting friction on the sides of the blade?

I read a comment once where the writer had claimed the convex grind or rolled edge has less friction because it only contacts on a tangential point. This would be true if only the material being cut has no give, no movement, no springiness to it. Also, as that material is cut, it would just open up, not pinch, but contact rigidly at one single point. But just what material would that be?

The fact that you are cutting instead of sawing means that you are not removing any material from the cut. In a saw cut, the teeth on the blade have a wider kerf than the blade itself, so that is why the saw blade does not stick and create friction in the cut. Knife blades have no kerf, no material is removed in the cutting action, so the material being cut will, of course, try to fill the cut, and push against the sides of the blade. The thinner the blade, the less friction and resistance. A taper or convex grind or rolled edge will push outward on the material being cut at a greater amount than any other knife grind cross sectional geometry. A flat grind will press less, and a hollow grind offers the thinnest blade and the least friction of any blade grind. This may seem like a small item, but in combat knives, where great force is delivered to the blade edge, and tough fibers, textiles, and tissue create great friction in the cut, any advantage is welcome. This is another reason nearly every military combat professional that I make CQC and CQB knives for requests hollow ground blades, whether the knife is straight, swept, or recurve in profile.
 
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Great pics of a cool knife.

As for what cuts better it really depends on the thickness of the spine, what material you're cutting etc. The SJ75 probably does more edc slicing tasks better than a FFG SnG or SMF just due to spine thickness and edge geometry.

The general consensus is that this is a good slicing knife. A well made choice in the mid tech world depending on your tastes.
 
Who said this is a "fact"?? Where are you getting this fact from?

From the maker that I had this exact discussion with.

State your source because it is incorrect.

I doubt it. He's been making knives for as long as I've been alive. If he reads this and wants to comment then that would be great. I won't speak for him, all I can do is state what he told me.

On a hollow grind, the flat piece at the end of the hollow grind is not wider than the cut so there cant be any more resistance than what a full flat grind can create. In fact, the resistance as the material slides up the sides of a the blade is more on a full flat grind because this resistance is always present through the entire cut across the blade. Lets not forget slicing doesn't have to go through the entire blade stock to begin with. This is why a hollow ground will slice better because it is simply a thinner piece of steel doing the work. I believe blade geometry doesnt lie and thats why it supports my point of view. I also agree that, all things being equal, a coated blade will have a minute more amount of friction than a non coated blade.

What do you think slicing means? Slicing is not a simple cut. The flat piece toward the spine is not wider than the cut? The spine is wider than the edge so this statement has me confused. Not everything you slice falls away from the initial slice. With a hollow grind the grind simply stops, period. This offers resistance no matter what yout think. A grind with evenly sloping sides that does not come to any kind of sudden stop will slice better. Whether you feel it is insignificant or minute, a coated blade offers more resistance.

Here is 2 minutes of research on this that supports why a hollow ground always slices better:

Hollow Grind:
The blade made with this grind is essentially "scooped" out each side, leaving a thin but very sharp edge. This grind really shines when it comes to slicing and can be made to slice/slash at high performance levels. The hollow grind is not necessarily the best for impact, chopping or hard outdoor use such as a camp knife might see. The thin edge which gives it the sharp slicing ability also makes it weak for these harder use chores.


Flat Grind or Taper Grind:
The flat grind is a continuous bevel beginning at the spine of the blade and continuing evenly through the width of the blade to the edge. The thickness of the blade decreases as the bevel nears the edge, but the decrease is linear and flat as opposed to the hollow grind which makes a concave surface on the blade. The flat grind is basically "in between" the convex grind and hollow grind. It does incorporate some of the best characteristics of each. The edge can be made quite sharp, like the hollow grind, but is also more resilient to higher levels of impact, like the convex grind. The flat grind can be outdone on each end of the spectrum by the hollow and convex grinds, but as a general use grind to handle everything, the flat grind is an excellent choice.

Google is a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, a lot of what you find on the internet was written by someone that thinks they are correct. It is not always so.


From Masters knife maker Jay Fisher:


Any knife grind that creates a thin enough edge can be made sharp, and can be made to cut various materials. The shape of the blade does matter when it comes to cutting friction, and resistance while the knife blade is deep in the cut. Just what grind has the least and most resistance to cutting friction on the sides of the blade?

I read a comment once where the writer had claimed the convex grind or rolled edge has less friction because it only contacts on a tangential point. This would be true if only the material being cut has no give, no movement, no springiness to it. Also, as that material is cut, it would just open up, not pinch, but contact rigidly at one single point. But just what material would that be?

The fact that you are cutting instead of sawing means that you are not removing any material from the cut. In a saw cut, the teeth on the blade have a wider kerf than the blade itself, so that is why the saw blade does not stick and create friction in the cut. Knife blades have no kerf, no material is removed in the cutting action, so the material being cut will, of course, try to fill the cut, and push against the sides of the blade. The thinner the blade, the less friction and resistance. A taper or convex grind or rolled edge will push outward on the material being cut at a greater amount than any other knife grind cross sectional geometry. A flat grind will press less, and a hollow grind offers the thinnest blade and the least friction of any blade grind. This may seem like a small item, but in combat knives, where great force is delivered to the blade edge, and tough fibers, textiles, and tissue create great friction in the cut, any advantage is welcome. This is another reason nearly every military combat professional that I make CQC and CQB knives for requests hollow ground blades, whether the knife is straight, swept, or recurve in profile.

This would be a great quote if Jay was talking about slicing. He is not. He is talking about general cutting and the edge that customers ask for when ordering Combat or CQC knives. He does talk about friction and blade resistance, but he is not talking about them with slicing in mind. Hacking at a person during combat is quite different than slicing delicate materials.

I guess we could argue about this all day, but it is pointless. Obviously, you have your opinion and I have mine. I still can't argue with what I've been told by a long time knife maker that I respect though.
 
Wait a minute... I am giving you printed facts from a Jay Fisher" a notable knife maker and you are still going on what you talked about in a conversation with another knife maker?? That's absurd. Jay is absolutely talking about cutting aka..slicing and the friction of the different grinds...
http://www.jayfisher.com/

http://www.knivestown.com/ktown/blade_grinds.asp


If you can find anything in print to support your point of view I would be glad to discuss this further.
 
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The review is spot on. I have been carrying the Huey for a while now and couldn't be more pleased.

The best slicer in the world is a straight edge razor and I have never seen one that wasn't hollow ground.
 
I'm back and forth on this knife too but it is growing on me. I love my Striders so the only thing that keeps me stalling is the size. It may be just a smidgeon too small for my taste - I'm wondering about a production large and if/when it will come out. I am tempted by the nice file work on this run though.

I'm probably running out of time!

I seem to see some new SNG's coming out with the new lock interface so I assume all production Striders are using them from this point on now . . .
 
If you like the SNG you will like the SJ-75. It has the same blade cutting edge. I was worried by the description that the SJ-75 might be too small but it isnt. I would call it more of a medium size folder than a small folder. I have large hands so you can see in the pics that the knife ist totally lost in my hands. Its the blade design that makes this a great EDG. You can even hold the blade itself for scraping and shaving.

I'm back and forth on this knife too but it is growing on me. I love my Striders so the only thing that keeps me stalling is the size. It may be just a smidgeon too small for my taste - I'm wondering about a production large and if/when it will come out. I am tempted by the nice file work on this run though.

I'm probably running out of time!

I seem to see some new SNG's coming out with the new lock interface so I assume all production Striders are using them from this point on now . . .
 
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