Strider SnG vs. Sebenza

The SnG is so different than a Sebenza you really have to hold and use both to appreciste the difference. If I had to use either a large classic Sebenza or the SnG for SD, I'd pick the SnG because of it's more solid feeling grip.

I would pick the large classic Sebenza over the large standard Sebenza for SD. I like the grip better.

For regular cutting chores the Sebenza is more comfortable because the edges of the frame and spine of the blade are more rounded. The grooves in the SnG are a grippy but for extended cutting I would perfer a little more melted feel. If I was wearing gloves then extended cutting with the SnG would be fine.

I didn't think to examine the grooves in the new SnG I was handling the other day in the store. Maybe the edges on the new ones are a little more rounded.

Rich
 
I have a couple of Sebenzas currently. Had a strider for a short time and sold it. Personally did not like the way the handle felt, and it felt uncomfortable in my pocket. But, I will say this it is definately all tool. Not really a big fan of Strider knives in general, though they have some nice designs. Overall I thought the quality on the CR Sebenzas was much higher as well. PLus you can get the Sebenzas with wood inlays or custom graphics!!!!!
 
Sebenza for the inconspicuous looks and build quality
SnG for egros, do what ever with it mentality
 
Appreciate the response guys...I'm still completely undecided. I'd like to get my hands on an SnG first, but don't know where I would...and don't like to fondle someone's knives I'm not planning on buying from. :o
 
This might help you out on deciding: "What are you going to use the knife for?"
Now go from there. Hope this helps. It works for me.
Lycosa
 
Pretty much just to carry & flick for the 1st. month, then safe queen till this time next year. :rolleyes:

Usually when I need a knife it's just to open a blister pack, pick / clean fingernails, cut rope / string, etc. :jerkit:
 
I went through this exact same thing. My birthday was a week ago, and I had about $400 to spend completely on myself. I spent weeks, literally, scratching my head and the choice was between a Sebbie or a Strider.

I have 4 Sebbies, but I had my eye on a Strider SNG or SMF for years now, but the price kept me away. Plus the pivot pin on a Strider takes a special wrench to tighten, most people don't have one, so getting one from the States and having it confiscated by Canadian Customs because they flicked it open due to a loose pivot didn't appeal to me. But I found an older (pre-Hinderer) SMF in Canada here on Bladeforums, so no hassles with Customs, and ironically it came with a wrench too... :) This is an SMF I'll talk about, not SNG, so the SNG is about an inch OAL shorter.

Anyways, like many people here said, it's really hard to compare them.

Anyway, Sebenza is overall thinner, slimmer, narrower. Strider is therefore thicker, larger, wider everywhere. In terms of handle thickness alone, it's a full Sebenza scale thicker than the Sebbie. Handle with is about the same at the pivot, but then the Strider tapers off to almost double the width at the pommel. This widening of the Strider handle actually lets you apply significant torque with a minimum of effort, so stab and twist is extremely easy. And the large teeth on the handle and blade spine work really great, especially if you're wearing gloves, but will wear out your palm with use without gloves, at least it did for me. Sebbie usually has small gentle teeth on the blade spine, though my newer Large Classic has larger teeth, but still nowhere near as aggressive, and I actually prefer the old style teeth.

The SMF I have has a flat grind, and blade is pretty thick (so it'll wedge itself in some stuff), but conversely you can use the knife as a prybar if you have to. The SMF blade spine thickness is close to double of the spine thickness of the Sebbie. I can't measure them right now, so going from memory here. And that kind of sums up the Strider for me. It can cut, but it can do things a fixed blade or a hatchet can do if you really need it to. It's big and heavy and has a monster of a pivot pin and the G10 scale and backspacer are milled from a single piece of G10, so it's real solid. Ti scale is thicker too. So just overall it's big and thick and the handle at the pommel is wide so you can apply some torque while not worrying about the blade chipping because it's a thick and flat grind, whereas a Sebbie handle won't give you a handle surface to apply as much torque, and the hollow grind and relatively thin tip might break or chip.

Of course a knife is not a prybar. If it comes down to cutting, Sebenza will probably win. But if the knife you have is supposed to serve as anything from a knife to a shovel, a hammer, an axe, then Strider will probably fare a lot better than the Sebbie. But if you just want an exceptionally good knife for cutting, then you can't go wrong with a Sebenza.

The SMF and Large Regular Sebbie have about the same cutting edge length, so an SNG will have a cutting edge slightly shorter than a Large Sebenza. The Strider choil on the blade allows to really choke up on the knife though, and also if you grab the very pommel of the handle (and there's plenty of it to grab) you can be far away from what you're cutting with the edge (cutting though a root at the bottom of a hole in the ground, for example).

When I got this Strider SMF though, I immediately fell in love with it. The ergonomics really work for me, but I read that it feels wrong to some people, and I often see people going from SNG to SMF and vice versa trying to get a handle that feels comfy. So I'd just sit with Large Regular Sebbie (my user knife) in one hand and the SMF in the other, and try opening them with gloves on and off, different grips, cutting, etc. Sebbie is a wonderfully build knife for cutting, and carries really well. Its handle shape is universal, so it feels great in any hand and any grip. But I can see a Strider handle feeling wierd in hands smaller than mine, it's bornering on huge even for me. Sebbie is large enough and solid enough to cut just about anything you put in front of it, without any overkill. It'll do what you ask it to do, and stop there. But that's where Strider begins. Strider is a monster, with what feels like overkill in just about every respect: far too thick, too heavy, too wide. I can picture breaking off a tip on a Sebbie pretty easily (I've done that with enough knives by now by accident), but holding the Strider I think I'll need a vise to take a chunk off of it, just stabbing and twisting and turning won't do it. I don't have enough muscle to break it, where I'm pretty confident I could manage that with a Sebbie if I really, REALLY wanted to.

I carry them both in sheaths so size doesn't bother me any. Strider does have a pretty standard clip, held by one screw and a hook on a clip going into a hole in the TI scale, preventing the clip from moving around. But the clip still moves around quite a lot. Sebbie clip is better by my standards, it doesn't move around and has a dimple halfway up for additional hold so the knife doesn't sway in the pocket.

And that's about it, really. SMF just looks like a complete overkill for 99.9% of the tasks I put in front of it. But when crap hits the fan, I think I'd rather have it than a number of other knives. But as far as a choice between a Sebbie and an SNG? For everyday stuff I'd go with a Sebbie, I don't run into things that requires anything a Sebbie can't handle. But for outdoorsy stuff or when you just don't know where you'll end up I'd go with a Strider, it has a clearly indestructible feel to it, I'd be perfectly comfortable digging and prying with it without a worry in the world, I'll probably break before it does.

Another thing to consider, I haven't had any experience with warranty work with either CRK or Strider. But Strider seems to have a rock solid warranty of "If you break it, we'll fix it." while CRK is based on conditions along the same lines as Spyderco, Benchmade, etc. I have had warranty work done at Spyderco and was extremely happy with the results, so it's by no means a minus to a Sebbie.

I can snap off a few pictures of used Sebbies and SMF (it wasn't NIB, so it was used before it got to me, and I put it though some stuff already too), but I don't know how useful it will be if you aim for SNG.
 
Thank you, Vess for a reasoned comparison between the two as opposed to the usual is-too, is-not sort of thing. You made some good points about the ergonomics of both. And, what's more . . . I agree with you.

By definition, any folder is a compromise between carry-ability and usability - just how much knife is necessary for 99.999% of tasks and how easy and convenient it is to carry and use.
 
AFAIK, the screw that holds the Strider's povot pin is glued (Loctite) in place. While some of the older Strider folders had some side to side blade movement, when lockied open... it didn't mean the blade would fall open. The ball detent securely held the blade in place.

I reallly question using the SMF for a hatchet. I assume you mean battoning the blade. It might handle it but I wouldn't want to do it with my SMF.

Vess, when you mention "stabbing and twisting", what would you be stabbing the SMF into and then twisting?

If you want/need a really strong point the Strider SnG Tanto is much thicker near the point.

I see that Strider has come out with a Tanto version of the SMF.

In any case a small sturdy fixed blade is the way to go if you plan to do much stabbing and twisting.

Small Sebenza and SnG Tanto (that's a thick point for a not too large folder)
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Rich
 
Plus the pivot pin on a Strider takes a special wrench to tighten, most people don't have one ...

True but there is a rather commonly available bike tool (Park Tool CNW-2) for dismounting the inner and outer chainwheels that works well. Also models of the Atwood PryBaby have a spanner wrench that is suitable for dismantling/tightening this pivot pin. Frankly, it is pure gimmick to design a knife which requires special tools to disassemble. Are you going to have a special tool with you when your Strider pivot pin loosens in the field? Maybe but likely not. KISS reigns in the mind of the well prepared.

AFAIK, the screw that holds the Strider's povot pin is glued (Loctite) in place. While some of the older Strider folders had some side to side blade movement, when locked open... it didn't mean the blade would fall open. The ball detent securely held the blade in place.[/IMG]

Rich

Don't count of the ball detent to hold the blade in place. When it fails - and it did for me - it can result in a fairly serious laceration. Lots of knives 'rely' on a ball detent to hold the blade. Be safe; don't be sorry and seriously consider a folder with a pocket clip that at the very least gives you the option of pocketing with the tip down.
 
Well, maybe none of my folders that use a ball and detent have been used as much as the one you had fail. I've never had a blade fall open because of the ball coming out of the detent.
A lot of frame lock folders out there. If it was a big problem you would think you would hear about it all the time.

I have some Benchmade folders with the AXIS lock where the blade will "fall out" if you pull back the lock buttons.
 
For your uses I would go with a large Sebbie. Heres a few more pics, thats a large Sebbie, and them are SNGs. :cool:

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Or......for that much coin..find you a XM-18 its a blend of a Sebbie and a SNG. Feels great, cuts great, built like a tank, perfect lockup. Clip options. Also can be found in flipper and nonflipper, 3 inch and 3 1/2 inch. Also....you can buy scales for it if you like color options.

Its worth the wait to find one. ;)
 
The blade stop pin on the SnG, IMHO, is too wide. It can catch on the edge of your pocket and start to pull the blade open. The blade stop doesn't need to stick out as far on each side as it does. I'm going to grind the pin down so that it isn't wider than the outside of the scales.
 
Another comment on the ball and detent issue. One would think you would notice that the ball isn't being held well in the detent... every time you open the knife. At that point if you don't fix the problem who's fault is it?
 
On the way home tonight I stopped by my local cigar shop and asked if they sold Striders. (They sell some high end stuff, including lots of decorated / woodie Sebenzas.) They didn't. However, one of the guys working there pulled a Gen VI SnG out of his pocket from the Blade show. I was impressed as hell with the SnG, however there were some issues. The blade had a slight amount of play in it. It felt somehow "too thin" around the index finger. Just unnatural I guess. The cutting area was WAY too short for my tastes considering how large the folder itself is. The way the lock engaged the tang put me off as well. Lastly, after asking if I could pocket it, it opened on me while drawing it out, wave style. I just don't think it's for me.

So-Lo, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? HAHAHA...I've never heard of / seen the XM-18, and haven't even heard of Hinderer till I noticed companies using his IBS lock thingy. THOSE LOOK AMAZING. What blade steel and how in the hell do I get my hands on one? Anyone know approx. what his turn-around time is? Finally, a "tanto" I can get into. That thing is SEXY.

Semi-production or custom? I'll read the rest of his site at work tomorrow. ;) Thanks again!!!
 
Maybe part of the thought behind the design of the SnG and SMF, with a relatively short cutting edge, is that in a stabbing move you don't need a long cutting ecge.
 
On the way home tonight I stopped by my local cigar shop and asked if they sold Striders. (They sell some high end stuff, including lots of decorated / woodie Sebenzas.) They didn't. However, one of the guys working there pulled a Gen VI SnG out of his pocket from the Blade show. I was impressed as hell with the SnG, however there were some issues. The blade had a slight amount of play in it. It felt somehow "too thin" around the index finger. Just unnatural I guess. The cutting area was WAY too short for my tastes considering how large the folder itself is. The way the lock engaged the tang put me off as well. Lastly, after asking if I could pocket it, it opened on me while drawing it out, wave style. I just don't think it's for me.

So-Lo, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? HAHAHA...I've never heard of / seen the XM-18, and haven't even heard of Hinderer till I noticed companies using his IBS lock thingy. THOSE LOOK AMAZING. What blade steel and how in the hell do I get my hands on one? Anyone know approx. what his turn-around time is? Finally, a "tanto" I can get into. That thing is SEXY.

Semi-production or custom? I'll read the rest of his site at work tomorrow. ;) Thanks again!!!


That is a Rick Hinderer Spanto (blend of a Tanto and a spear point), 3 1/2 inch XM-18 Non flipper, satin finshed, with black blue G-10. :D

Rick has stopped taking orders. They can be found but they go for around $550. Much higher than Rick was/is selling them for. BUT.....even then its still well worth it. He should be charging that price IMHO. :cool:

Yes they can be found in tanto, but I have only seen the Tantos in flipper format.
 
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