strider's warranty

Strider steps up and stands behind their knives. If you have a problem or question about a knife, call and speak to Josh, Duane or Mick.
I dont know anything about Stamp as a person, but IMO his knife testing is a joke. Irrelevant, unsubstantiated, un-scientific,and just shows one person's opinion.
 
I think that applies to every knife review ever done. The only difference is that Stamp usually takes a blade to failure. Being one man, testing one sample at a time, I don't see how he could be viewed as an authority, and his writing should not be judged by such criteria. He likes what he does, and some of us like reading it. I sincerely hope it doesn't affect the opinions of educated knife buyers, which I think should be the only people spending several hundreds dollars on a knife they plan to abuse.
 
A story reported to me is of the "unconditional" warrantee on Head brand metal skiis in the early '60's. A man on his way up the canyon to the mountain, left the road and rolled his car with his Head skiis strapped on top of his roof. The skiis, both obviously mangled, were sent back to Head for replacement. The owner got a phone call where the Head representative stated, "We know you didn't do this skiing and will honor our warrantee, but we better not get another pair from you in this condition!"

Most lifetime warrantee's include the term "under normal use" to preclude someone purposely destroying an item and expecting replecement. I often wonder which was being tested more, the knife or the warrantee.

Bruce
 
Who the hell is stupid enough to chop concrete with a knife? Granted, in an emergency condition, you may need to do just that, but in everyday life?
Strider's message on replacement blades for idiots is funny, and well justified, even though he's an *******.
 
glorfindel said:
Guys, thanks for info but let's talk about STRIDER not MD.As for MClung's warranty and hot atmosphere on tactical forums, there's other topic on bladeforums. Don't mess around.
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You wish to disparage and chide; obviously trying to weasel out a free knife and then refer to those you disparage and chide as having a hot atmosphere. Who wouldn't in view of your behaviour?

Your attempts have had the opposite effect, as it should be. It is your reputation that it sullied. Go forth and continue to say what you wish.

Edited to add: You have here on this thread TWO persons who owned Mad Dog knifes and are unhappy with Mad Dog and his products. That's TWO persons out of thousands of happy owners. Go figure.
 
Boink said:
You wish to disparage and chide; obviously trying to weasel out a free knife and then refer to those you disparage and chide as having a hot atmosphere. Who wouldn't in view of your behaviour?

Your attempts have had the opposite effect, as it should be. It is your reputation that it sullied. Go forth and continue to say what you wish.

Edited to add: You have here on this thread TWO persons who owned Mad Dog knifes and are unhappy with Mad Dog and his products. That's TWO persons out of thousands of happy owners. Go figure.
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Well...some fact at the beginning:

1. Who disparage and chide? What the hell are you talkin about? I wasn't the one who break anything! I do not even own Mad Dog.

2. This is Strider, not Mad Dog thread, some people and me mentioned that. Read once again and again.

3. Do not try to start a war with me because I am NOT interested in verbal and neurotic jostling.

I seek only informations.
 
Boink said:
You wish to disparage and chide; obviously trying to weasel out a free knife and then refer to those you disparage and chide as having a hot atmosphere. Who wouldn't in view of your behaviour?

Your attempts have had the opposite effect, as it should be. It is your reputation that it sullied. Go forth and continue to say what you wish.

Edited to add: You have here on this thread TWO persons who owned Mad Dog knifes and are unhappy with Mad Dog and his products. That's TWO persons out of thousands of happy owners. Go figure.
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Where did he disparage and chide? Are you thinking of someone else in this thread? :confused:
 
Glorfindel, you and your posse need to get what we in America call a "hobby". That's where we do something constructive, not destructive.
 
Miketm said:
Glorfindel, you and your posse need to get what we in America call a "hobby". That's where we do something constructive, not destructive.
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like post on internet message boards, very constructive
*of course, the makers/mfgs do quite a bit*
 
If you check the original thread in question, a group of knifeknuts in Poland went and destroyed some knives thinking what's the difference? They would simply request a free knife under warranty. Well, turns out their decision cost them a few hundred dollars and they are steamed. The upshot is that they individually are going on various knife forums and venting their anger and frustration by "leaking" negative press in various unrelated threads - threads that have entirely different subjects. They avoid going head-on and creating posts with a direct title to make their argument. In that regard, they are sneaky and I have no respect for sneaky. So, whether this person was the owner of the knife or not, who knows or who cares? He is obviously part of the posse seeking revenge. All I can do to right this situation is to bring it to folks attention. What folks do with the information is up to them.

No, Glorfindel, there is no war here. You are exposed. That is all.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Logically, Cliff Stamp's tests tell you more about a knife than the warranty does. It will do you no good to know you will get a replacement for a broken knife if your health and well-being depend on the original purchase holding up under harsh circumstances.

Cliff's tests will give you a better idea for which knives will do the job, not which ones will be replaced too late to help you.
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I like reading Cliffs tests for the same reason. True, they are 1 person and 1 sample and very subjective. But, even doing the crazy stuff Cliff does you get an idea of how far a knife will go if you are ever in a 'Oh Sh!t' situation where you may need your knife to perform non knife functions.

I don't own any Striders, but do have some Busses. Both of these companys warranties speak volumes about the confidence they have in their blades. I would not hesitate to carry a Strider or Busse into harms way where if they didn't perform you may not be around to exercise the warranty.

Actually, I like Kliff Stump's reviews the best.

Rob
 
Thanks for clearing that up for me Boink. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why people were getting on glorfindel so much. Now I know.
 
Boink said:
If you check the original thread in question, a group of knifeknuts in Poland went and destroyed some knives thinking what's the difference? They would simply request a free knife under warranty. Well, turns out their decision cost them a few hundred dollars and they are steamed. The upshot is that they individually are going on various knife forums and venting their anger and frustration by "leaking" negative press in various unrelated threads - threads that have entirely different subjects. They avoid going head-on and creating posts with a direct title to make their argument. In that regard, they are sneaky and I have no respect for sneaky. So, whether this person was the owner of the knife or not, who knows or who cares? He is obviously part of the posse seeking revenge. All I can do to right this situation is to bring it to folks attention. What folks do with the information is up to them.

No, Glorfindel, there is no war here. You are exposed. That is all.
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Who is exposed? I have little in common with the guys who broke Mad Dog and spreading negative threads.

YOUR problem is that you can't think about someone outside US as individual man. If one Pole has done sth bad it means every Pole is black character, huh?

You showed that you are nothing more than slutted racist and someone with very narrow minded point of view. You are not the one I woul like to speak to. You are just another ass.
 
Yeah, it's funny how those guys in Poland broke EVERY SINGLE knife they were testing. The fact that they broke every single knife shows that they were just out screwing around trying to break knives, and weren't actually performing any kind of extreme performance test. I mean, if they were trying to perform some kind of test, you would think they would be a little down about breaking ANY of the knives, especially if it broke during a test that any $400 "combat tough" knife should be able to handle, and that several of the other knives DID successfully handle. But they were obviously just out to break knives and try to cheat AMERICANS out of their hard-earned money.

/sarcasm/
:rolleyes:

(Incidentally, check out Cliff Stamp's testing of the Howling Rat ($89), wherein it survived what the $400 MDK didn't.)
 
Glorfindel, despite of your screaming expletives, I will forgive you.

If someone is unhappy with a knifemaker, we generally seek to take it up privately with the maker, not create a circus by challenging the maker publicly. It's simply the right thing to do. We especially don't go around spreading ill will with guerilla posting tactics.

The maker in question, Mad Dog, has thousands of happy users and only two persons who have managed to break the knives and gotten into public debate over it. Only two out of thousands. Once again, go figure.

I am done arguing on a knifemaker's behalf and will return to enjoying constructive, creative, humorous and insightful discussion about knives.
 
Chief_Wiggum :

How much force was applied/hit? At what angle was the blade held? How much force was applied at the cutting edge? Was the test performed by a 12 year old girl or a 250lb. guy?
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Such details are in several of the reviews, some of the older ones are really qualatitative, so you need to check the dates at the bottom. About a year or two ago I started updating the older review to put in notes and pointers as to how things should be done in better ways. The methods change as I work with them to make them more informative, as well as interations with people who offer suggestions on how they could be improved, exchange testing methods and so on.

... he did not supply data like how the knife was clamped and in what material, how far from the tip was the knife clamped, how quickly was the knife bent, etc.
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Again this is in several of the reviews, some contain more information than others. The Howling Rat prying for example recently posted contained how the knife was clamped, the distances, the loads and the induced angles as well as the compression of the holding material. The loads are always applied in a quasi-static manner, in order for this not to be the case you would need to apply a load faster than the s
lip planes of the steel could adjust and thus induce brittle fracture, a person could not readily do this by hand.

Of course a lot of it depend on who the reviews are done for, not everyone has the above perspective by Lifter and company and thus the review for them can be done in a much more relaxed manner as they are looking for more general comparisons of their product against others. Some people are fine with knowing quite simply that if you took their product and subjected both it and another to a very heavy load that the other one would bend permanently far before theirs did. Others want more detail, how much did it take, how much of a bend and so on. Of course all they have to do to get such information is to ask for it.

If I was doing a review for Busse for example I would in general be a lot more detailed than for Bill Martino.

chickenfried :

Is it true that Strider performs similar things in demonstrations of their knives?
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They used to, it was the primary selling point of their knives. They also had no hesitation of promoting reviews of their knives which did a lot more extreme things than I did such as hitting them with a sl edgehammer (yes an eight lbs sledghammer) and driving them right into a rock face and subjecting them to heavy prying such as repelling down the same rock face. McClung did the same, he even cited examples as extreme as a Seal using one of his knives as a diving board by jamming it into a cabinet and jumping on it.

Boink :

You have here on this thread TWO persons who owned Mad Dog knifes and are unhappy with Mad Dog and his products. That's TWO persons out of thousands of happy owners. Go figure.
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Just one more case of misinformation, there have been six public cases of McClung refusing to deal with significant damage to his knives. In each case other knives made out of steels which McClung has described as inferior all withstood the same "abuse" with no significant damage. Of course since McClung tends to heavily edit and deleted such threads after the insults have been flung, it may take some searching to dig them out.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, I think there's also a political dynamic that's hard to explain unless we have been reading another board.
 
One further note, which needs to be exapnded upon what Keith commented about concerning abuse. It not only needs to be considered what the intended use of the knife was, but the relative stress level and how the knife failed.

If for example a fillet blade broke while you were cutting a piece of bread, this is abuse in the sense that it was not intended for this task, but unless the bread was frozen, the knife sould still do it without harm. Maybe not well, but it certainly should not suffer gross damage.

On a more extreme note, assume you get a 5160 blade, spring spine (45 HRC) and working edge (58 HRC) for a big chopping knife. You then for whatever reason chuck it at a concrete wall. The knife shatters into a dozen pieces.

This is abuse in the sense that the knife was never meant to perform such a task, and in the sense that the stress is far above the tasks which the knife is supposed to see. However the knife should never break like that because of the nature of spring tempered 5160.

Of course the edge could impact, the tip could bend or break, the handle could warp or break depending on how it is made, but the main blade body should not shatter. So even though the task is abusive, the nature of the failure indicates a severely flawed product.

If when I had the Howling Rat subjected to heavy prying, had it break cleanly, I would have expected it as the intended behavior at heavy loads. However if the blade shattered into multiple pieces with little flex - I would have assumed something was wrong as carbon steels don't behave like that (low alloy ones of course).

If this happened I would have contacted Busse, described what happened and talked about was this the expected behavior. I seriously doubt it would have degenerated into him name calling and such, it didn't when I discussed the Basic that broke some years back. He only gets this upset when I try to convince him to drink a decent beer.

-Cliff
 
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