Strop Got the Hairs to Pop

"Duct tape works best for those."

Bruise, do you mean apply and pull? :p

Golly gee . . . sounds just like rougin' n' stropin' to me!
 
Originally posted by Yvsa
Well Ank there's a few of us who uphold that a highly polished edge will hold up much longer than one that is not no matter whether "utility edge" or not.
When you sharpen any knife or axe to it's ideal edge bevel and polish it the edge is very probably gonna last longer with less damage to your tool.
The micro scratches found on most utility edges are stress risers that can actually cause your tool to fail and chip, sometimes quite large chips.:(
Ask Samuri Dave how a polished shaving edge on his GRS he got off of me has held up and it's been over a year now.:)
I keep saying the angle of the edge bevel doesn't have anything to do with shaving sharp but it seems no one wants to hear that.
Try hollow grinding a three cornered file and then flatten the edges on a Norton Fine India Hone.
I've done that several times and all the edges have shaved. The "burr knife" edges actually have to be taped over to keep from cutting the user with merely hand pressure!!!!:eek:


Yvsa,

I didn't say that my utility edges were rough now. What I ment was they don't have too shave hair to do the job. I keep the same bevel so the edge is strong.

About the tri edge thing.

Yes I used to drill bowling balls for a Pro Shop and the ball knives are tri edge and yes sharping them flat on all three sides you get on hell of a sharp knife. I kept the ones I used so sharp most people wouldn't even pick them up.
 
Yvsa,
Got a question for the sharpening "Guru" :). With regard to the polishing of the edge on a strop. I haven't been using one myself, instead I've been using a ceramic rod. Do these polish like you been mentioning? Both my BAS and 15" AK will shave a bare spot on my arm.
I've simply been sharpening them as I'd sharpen an ax or other chopper. First a 8" file, following the angle of the edge as close as possible, than a "puck" round stone,and finally the ceramic rod. Sound right? Or am I leaving out something?
Thanks!
Mike
 
I'm not Yvsa, but the ceramic rod that I have looks to be considerably coarser than my 800 (different Japanese grit system) water stone. Stropping with green compound or using a 4000 grit water stone leaves darn close to a mirror finish--the strop is finer than the 4000 grit waterstone, which is finer than 1500 grit wet/dry paper. Sounds like you're plenty sharp though, I try to hone the whole bevel too.

About the card board from tablets---see if an art supply store has a sale on heavy hot-pressed (smoothest) watercolor paper blocks, like 120 lb paper. It works great, and it's like getting a tablet of the cardboard, but each sheet is much longer lasting and tougher than the cardboard tablet backing. Plus, you don't have all that regular paper left over from the tablets.:)

Cereal box carboard (inner grey side) and the cardboard in those Xmas shirts you always get works well too for stropping. Some day I'll make a leather strop mounted on wood, but the cardboard works surprisingly well.

Get a stick of green Veritas honing compound and try it on various things, some people prefer to use it on a soft wood board or dowel, omitting the leather or cardboard. I ought to find some kind of hollow keychain fob so that I can always carry a little chunk of the stuff with me.

EDIT:

The very polished edge/bevel makes it easier to detect and steel/chakma (is chakma a verb???) out edge dings before they have a chance to get bigger too.
 
Originally posted by Mad Mike
Yvsa,
Got a question for the sharpening "Guru". With regard to the polishing of the edge on a strop.

Well thanks Mike, but I don't know about the "Guru" part.:)

I haven't been using one myself, instead I've been using a ceramic rod.

Mike what ever works for you is best, the main thing is results and it sounds like you're getting them.
I've found that the difference in the hardness of an individual khukuri's edge is sometimes what determines the best tool or in this case "hone" for the job.
A strop will give you a higher polished finish as Firkin says.

Do these polish like you been mentioning? Both my BAS and 15" AK will shave a bare spot on my arm.

No, the ceramic won't polish like a strop. The Green Chromium Oxide has around a 10,000 grit IIRC.
And you can use the Chromium Oxide on most anything, it doesn't have to be leather although I think the smooth side of the leather with the C/O does the best job of polishing.
You can use the cardboard as Firkin mentioned or you can use canvas, denim, and other "hard" cloths.

And Mike, there's shaving sharp and then there's Shaving Sharp!!!!
I myself, like many others feel that a highly polished edge bevel holds up much better due to having less stress risers than a plain honed finish will although the plain honed finish can be very smooth.
Those of us with a buffing capability has quite the advantage over the rest of you guys.;)
Another thing I might add is that the super polished bevels and edges don't have a "bite" to them like one finished with a ceramic hone, BUT they will "push cut" much better than any other finish IMO.

I've simply been sharpening them as I'd sharpen an ax or other chopper.

And that's what I've been advocateing from the very start!!!! When you sharpen a khuk like an axe it will have not only a convex edge, but a full convex bevel whether it be a full convex or a Sabre Convex.

First a 8" file, following the angle of the edge as close as possible, than a "puck" round stone,and finally the ceramic rod.

Sounds good to me but I've found that unless one has a really decent and pretty new file they usually won't file the sweet spot well at all!!!!
I have several kinds of hones from a couple of the Spydeco Ceramics that I'm very impressed with to the Norton Fine India Hone that's been the mainstay for a lot of machinists and other metal workers for a good many years.
I've even got a couple of the Chinese Hones that are fairly decent.
One is a huge sucker about 3" or so thick and high and maybe 10" to 12" long with a choice of fine or coarse grit!!!!
I also have a couple of sets of the ceramic rods set in the blocks of wood to supposedly gives one the "correct" angle to sharpen to.
Problem with these are that no two outfits agree on what's "correct" and so you have to adjust the angles to get them all to come in the same.
Of course removed from the stand they can be used to put on a fairly nice convex bevel and edge.:)

Sound right? Or am I leaving out something?
Thanks!


Sounds to me like all you need is a couple of strops. I recommend one with Jeweler's Rouge and one with the Chromium Oxide.
If you really want to pick some nits like I do sometimes then make a third one and charge it with Tripoli.
Then after you get done with your hones you can go to first......
Tripoli,......
Jeweler's Rouge,......
and the Chromium Oxide.......:D
Then maybe people will start calling you a Guru as well.:rolleyes: :p ;)


Edited because of dumbass Okie mistakes.;)
 
Yvsa,
Thanks for the advice. I'll try the strop. Maybe this middle-aged dog can learn a new trick ;). Firkin thanks for your help and advice as well.
Thanks again, Guys.
Mike
 
Thanks for the offer Uncle, but if I need any rocks all I need to do is give my head a good shake :D.
 
Back
Top