Stuff for natural first aid kits...

Hey all,
Didn't mean to start a battle over this, just thought some might be interested.
One thing we ALL have to realize, both herbal and modern meds have their place. And remember herbal meds have been around for 1000s of year’s longer then chemical drugs and have worked. The biggest problem with herbs is the quality of the product. There is no standard so every brand is different, too weak, too strong you don't know. But there are a lot of herbs that work far better then modern meds IF you know what you are doing with them. Knowledge is the key here.
As for modern meds extending the human life span 20 years, that is a bit of an exaggeration. If you look at European society (including the U.S.) over the last 1500 to 2000 years living conditions got more and more unsanitary up until about 100 years ago. Then people started bathing regularly. But for a while there European society did not bath in fact was almost afraid to. This was one of the major contributors to the black plague in the dark ages. People going to the bath room any place they wanted and not bathing makes a breeding ground for diseases. If you will note the Native Americans, North, South and Central did not suffer these kinds of epidemics until the Europeans introduced things like small pox to the Native peoples, it was the same way in Asia. Studies shows that people in these countries lived much longer then Europeans of the time as well as longer then we do today. Mostly because they kept themselves clean. Most of the old Native Americans on record when the Europeans first came to this land were in the 80 to 90 year old range some much older then that. People in China were known to live well into their 100s. The oldest man on record died in the mid 70's at 253 years old. He was Chinese, lived on a mountain in Southern China, kept a strict diet and took certain herbs everyday.
Now if you look at the stats for modern meds it's pretty bad. In 1998 alone doctors in this country killed over 200,000 people with improper procedure, un-needed surgeries and just plain mistakes. Another 150,000 died from meds prescribed by doctors. In most cases it was due to miss diagnoses and the wrong drug was given or in the wrong dose. That’s a lot of people. Not to mention all the surgeries where interments are left in people or the wrong limb was removed. Just listen the drug commercials on TV, they always give the side effects of whatever they are advertising. It's not hard to see that modern medicine is an inexact science and a dangerous place to be. But like I said before, both herbal and modern meds have their place. So just be informed.

Ric
 
The big reason that New World folks didn't have the disease load that the Old World had had nothing to do with cleanliness, and everything to do with A) the Old World being the evolutionary home of humanity, and thus their being more diseases evolved to prey on humans and B) large numbers of herd animals, from which many of the epidemic diseases sprang. I recommend reading "Guns, Germs, and Steel" and/or "Plagues and Peoples" for a very in-depth discussion of this.

As for "healing herbs", sure, there are some herbs that show medicinal effect, but there is no consistency in dosage with "nutritional supplements", nor does the FDA monitor the contents of these things. Would you take a Tylenol if you didn't know if the pill contained 20mg or 2000? Sure, modern medicines have side effects, but so will any active ingredient, whether it comes from "big Pharma" or from your garden. The difference is that in tested medicines we generally know what the effects are, as opposed to herbals.

253 year old chinese guy? You have a citation for that?

As for any advice from someone with "N.D." after their name, take it with a very large grain of salt... like something you would put in a horse stall. This is not a medical degree in any sense of the term. One of the things that Naturopaths oppose is the very vaccination alluded to earlier in greatly extending lifespans worldwide. These folks are quacks, not to put too fine a point on it.
 
Cleanliness sure as hell helped people to live longer.

Proper nutrition did too.

Bacteria killing discoveries like carbolic acid made internal surgeries much less a death sentence.

Vaccines prolonged life and still do today, even ND's get vaccinated hmm..

The advent of penicillin has saved millions and still does.

Desease research and treatments of chronic illnesses that have plagued mankind for centuries have saved millions.

All the above discovered by modern research and medicine of the time.

We will cure cancer, aids, alzheimers etc..... And the cure may be derived from plants is some way but manipulated by modern science. It certainly won't come from eating some bark in the amazon alone.

People who shun modern medicine are both hipocrites and missinformed as they sit there typing fully vaccinated for once deadly diseases.

Only the alive, kept that way by modern medicine can type and complain huh.

Is there errors in medicine? Sure is

Should we question DR's? Sure should

Should we watch our intake of drugs? Yes

Will we die of a simple disease or affliction when a 2 cent pill could cure it because we have some irrational fear of modern medicine? Only the stupid will.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Run Forest run.

Skam
 
"Its funny people like you with your attitude .... you are healthy enough to spew your missinformed opinions over the net. Skam"

I really don't understand where all that came from or where you got that opinion of me. All I basically said was that I don't really believe that doctors are all-knowing gods or that the pharm industry is not profit motivated. When they have the money and lawyers to crush opposing opinion regardless of the source, they become as evil as Wal-Mart.

EVERY single thing you mentioned was once considered "ridiculous' or 'witchcraft' or 'unlikely' by the 'modern' doctors, institutions and even the religious hierarchy of the time. Imagine tiny animals you can't see causing disease! Humph! Taking pus from a smallpox victim and putting it in someone else to PREVENT them form getting it? We have never done it that way! Bring the leaches! Did you know that some gangrenous wounds are 'cleaned' by sanitized maggots? Seems they eat the necrotic tissue and leave the healthy... not 500 years ago. Today. In the USA. In big hospitals. What will they think of us a 200 years hence?

By the way the compusive cleanliness is being shown to cause more problems from super resistant germs (that carbolic acid once killed easily) to asthma and 'kids that must grow up in clean rooms and bubbles. Recent modern (contemporary) findings are that kids that play in the dirt and even ( :barf: ) eat their boogers are actually self-innoculating themselves aginst many common pathogens. Booger eating may actually have started as an evolutionary survival mechanism. I don't advocate it as an adult but I'll bet evey single person reading knows what dirt and/or boogers taste like.

New World people were affliced and wiped out by Old World disease because they had never in 15,000 years been exposed to them. Like sending a kid to elementary school and two days later he is sick. He was exposed.... to tiny animals you cannot see. Without vaccines he might have smallpox or polio. He has a cold. There are multiple 'species' of cold symptom producing germs. It may seem you keep getting the same cold, but the reality is all those colds are different bugs and you don't ever repeat a 'cold' with the same bug. You were innoculated by 'contact and survival'. Isolated peoples throughout the world have always been mostly wiped out by introduced disease when contact is made. The remaining population who survived by whatever chance are innoculated. Great. Now they can be enslaved.

I'm gonna eat a worm. I'll rinse it with tequila first.
 
I think booger eating pretty much sums up your medical knowledge for me thanks.

Skam
 
I think I rely on both old school methods and modern medicine. Like when I had a toothache I tried that ambisol stuff and it had no effect, however a little whisky on the gums like my father used to do when I was a baby teething fixed the pain right up.
 
Merek said:
When they have the money and lawyers to crush opposing opinion regardless of the source, they become as evil as Wal-Mart.
Click to expand...

Or even if they try?

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/negrete.html (In short, this doctor runs a site exposing medical quackery and was sued by an "alternative" practitioner trying to shut him down. Her suit was thrown out of court because it had no basis in fact.)
 
FoxholeAtheist said:
The big reason that New World folks didn't have the disease load that the Old World had had nothing to do with cleanliness, and everything to do with A) the Old World being the evolutionary home of humanity, and thus their being more diseases evolved to prey on humans
Click to expand...

As for the "evolutionary home of humanity" that was central Africa and if memory serves the plagues of the dark ages didn't venture that far south. They stayed pretty much in Europe. Later on Africa was hit pretty hard by malaria and Calera I believe but that was much later as I said.
Also, these diseases didn't venture into Asia. China, Japan and South Asia stayed pretty clean. Point is it has been a widely excepted fact that the uncleanlyness of the Europeans in the dark ages was a major cause and perpetuation of the plagues in that time period.
I do agree that herd animals contributed greatly but then again herd animals are not very clean. Most of them tend to wallow around in their own filth. That’s why most of them today are injected with large amounts of antibiotics, to keep them from getting sick before they get to market.

Ric
 
Malaria comes from Africa, and bubonic plague swept across all of Asia. Southern china had its own share of diseases also, which kept populations relatively low there for a while. Japan's population was too small to support an endemic disease chain in ancient times, so they didn't have the pattern of "childhood" diseases that we're used to with our European heritage. When diseases came over to Japan from the mainland, they were disastrous (similar to the Black Plague).

Point being that Amerindians didn't suffer from epidemic diseases not because of their being "cleaner", but because they were isolated from the sources of Eurasian (and African) diseases.
 
When I travel in the sun I carry an aloe extract for sunburn. It is one of the best topical burn treatments around. If you know how to identify aloe plants you can cut the leaves and use the juice on burns. I got that one out of a poisonous, edible, and medicinal plant class back in the late 70's. Most of the other medications are kind of dangerous to play around with. The main thing I got out of the class was how to find dozens of incredibly deadly plants.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top