STUNNING BCCI Buck 110: 1st EVER w/ Copper Bolsters & Flat grind S35VN Steel! 1/100

That's damn near perfect! I love it :thumbup:

Buck really outdid themselves with this one.
 
Mine were delivered on Saturday, but I just caught up to my three today and have to agree with everyone….those are awesome knives!!

The mirror finish one has a more rounded frame, but the S35VN has the more squared bolsters I like so much.
 
Could someone enlighten me... The grind looks like any other 110; what makes this a flat grind?

Absolutely beautiful knife!
 
Buck 110's typically have a slight concave curve to the blade otherwise known as a hollow grind.
This new S35VN knife is a flat grind. If you look carefully at the pics below, you can see the slight concave curve on the top 110...
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I think what Pokt is talking about is the blade top looks to merely have softened lines on the blade flats. Causing it to still look like Buck's early hollow grinds. Which Pinnah spoke of and he attributes to Leroy. But that's merely the way they were 'all' done back then. (A modified hollow grind) In the last photo I can see the flat grind better. You could see it better on the early 300 series knifes as the grind was taken all the way to the top of the blade. The difference is sooo slight but a flat is present. Not worth a discussion over. DM
 
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Hay Horse, I really like your Amboya burl 110. It has the coated blade as well. Who did it for you? DM
 
Those are handsome. I'm wondering if I've seen these. Don't post another picture of it as I don't wish to side-track hen's topic. DM
 
That carbon fiber is outstanding and the S35VN steel is fantastic! Same steel as the Sebenza. Safe queen or user?
 
David Martin said:
I think what Pokt is talking about is the blade top looks to merely have softened lines on the blade flats. Causing it to still look like Buck's early hollow grinds. Which Pinnah spoke of and he attributes to Leroy. But that's merely the way they were 'all' done back then. (A modified hollow grind) In the last photo I can see the flat grind better. You could see it better on the early 300 series knifes as the grind was taken all the way to the top of the blade. The difference is sooo slight but a flat is present. Not worth a discussion over. DM
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pinnah said:
Among the hollow grinds, I prefer the older ones (70s or so) with the more rounded shoulders. They don't have that sharp line at the shoulder, which I know was a part of Remer's aesthetic vision, but I find they bind less when cutting.
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David,

Just to clarify and apologize for my very sloppy writing style which is a constant cause of confusion.

I didn't mean to attribute anything to Remer and certainly didn't mean to attribute the old rounded shoulder look to him - in fact, something of the opposite.

What I was trying to convey, is that I don't care for hollow grinds with a sharp, distinct shoulder line that clearly marks the transition between the hollow of the hollow grind and the flat of the blade stock. In making my reference to Remer, what I was trying to convey (and did not do so clearly) was that I know that my aesthetic preference for the old style Buck hollow grinds with the rounded shoulders is not in the norm and that I recognize that having a clear, distinct shoulder line is to many people's preference. Among those who prefer a distinct shoulder line, I believe Remer is one. I recall an article/interview with him that I think (going from addled memory ) used to be on his old web site (it's not on his new one) in which he described figuring out or finding out how to control the grind to give a sharp transition line while also making it curve and that this gave him interesting design options for making blades with new and interesting looks. Either the article or other material on his old site discussed his fantasy knives and on many of those you can/could see the use of curved, distinct grind shoulders as a design element.

This use of a distinct grind line as a visual design element is present in knives like the Buck 113
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Buck Endeavor
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Note, I'm not suggesting that Remer is responsible for Buck moving towards to sharper grind transitions. Just noting that sharp grind transitions were/are a part of his aesthetics (which is fine - just noting it) and also noting that Buck has been using them for while too.


Are the aesthetics and function of grinds not worth talking about? <shrug> I think so. I think rounded shoulders like on the older ones help minimize binding in some materials. I notice it when cutting apples and potatoes, for instance.

Again, sorry for the confusion I've caused.
 
David Martin said:
Not worth a discussion over. DM
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My question, which I think is worth a discussion over is whether or not this particular 110 is Buck's first 110 with a flat grind blade. There is nothing in the literature I've seen that comes with the knife that suggests it's anything other than a standard 110 hollow ground profile.

Why? It could mean whether or not I purchase this knife. Regardless of cost, I would use it and it would need to be sharpened occasionally.

I'm a fan of harder steels and have no problem getting an edge on any of my S30V, BG42, 154CM or others with hollow grinds. Flat ground blades can be tougher to sharpen because of the blade shape. Combine that with a hard steel and is this really a good "user" knife? I wouldn't want to ship this off to Buck every time I needed it sharpened, or pay someone else to sharpen it.

I can't imagine Buck putting a flat ground blade on a 110 with a hard steel and expect it to be used and resharpened by their typical 110 customer. This is why they eliminated some of the "super-steels" from their 110 offering as I understand it.

That being said, if it's a hollow grind similar to other standard 110 blade profiles, I may be a buyer. If it's a true flat grind, well... I'm no collector no matter how gorgeous the knife is.
 
Picking nits on the terminology, this isn't a "flat grind" blade. A real flat grind blade has no shoulder, like the (current?) Buck/Hood Punk.
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I personally don't find a true flat grinds to be hard to sharpen. I prefer to put a shallower back bevel on mine and that does take a bit of extra work on harder steel but it's not a deal breaker and worth it for the general overall performance of a true flat grind.

The Buck 2000 edge might be described as a very deep (and thus thin behind the edge) hollow grind. What is not clear to me is if this new BCCI knife has a shallow (and thus thicker behind the edge) grind or a high sabre/scandi grind (flat from the edge area to the shoulder). It would be interesting to hear from somebody who has placed the blade on a flat surface to see if the grind between the edge and shoulder is hollow or flat.

As I'm sure you know, one common way to deal with a truly flat, non-hollow sabre/scandi grind is to sharpen it by putting the entire flat bevel on the stone. This can be done in a pure flat manner (as advocated by Mears) or it can be done in a more convex manner. This guy sharpens his Bark River using a scandi-convex method and if you watch a bit into the video, he demonstrates the rocking motion he uses to create the convex profile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLlxWbce4iE&list=FLByelOYNpINNJtbaLpAfh0Q&index=1

I do a similar thing with my Mora and my old Schrade-Walden H-15 both of which are hard (Rc 59ish) carbon steel which is easily handled on most stones.

I agree that doing this with more carbide rich steels would be a labor of love and blood, as that video demonstrates. I think that Bark River is 3V and the guy leaves blood on the stone. Bark River offers a sharpening service for their scandi-vex knives for this reason.
 
pinnah -
While this new copper frame 110 is obviously not a "full flat" grind, it IS a type of flat grind blade. Depending on the "expert" one may consult, most would call this a "high flat" grind.
MT_Pokt -
You stated, "There is nothing in the literature I've seen that comes with the knife that suggests it's anything other than a standard 110 hollow ground profile." If you look on the order form (picture attached), it CLEARLY STATES FLAT GRIND for the VERSION I (S35VN) option... simpler yet, if you simply look at the blade in hand, it is obviously FLAT and NOT HOLLOW GROUND. This new 110 copper frame S35VN IS a type of (for those who want to get particular) flat grind blade. If you don't believe it is flat, then buy one and see for yourself. I know the difference between hollow and flat grinds.
I was simply thrilled with my new knife and wanted to post pictures to enjoy. Can we please simply enjoy this "STUNNING BCCI Buck 110: 1st EVER w/ Copper Bolsters & Flat grind S35VN Steel! 1/100"
It is a FIRST for a flat grind in S35VN for a Buck 110.

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junom said:
Hi, I think one flat grind 110 slipped by, the last 440C 1980.
George God bless
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Yes, sir, I believe you are correct. So this may not be the first 110 flat grind, but is still a FIRST for a (type of) flat grind in S35VN for a Buck 110.
Regards,
 
hohenstreetroa said:
pinnah -
While this new copper frame 110 is obviously not a "full flat" grind, it IS a type of flat grind blade. Depending on the "expert" one may consult, most would call this a "high flat" grind.
MT_Pokt -
You stated, "There is nothing in the literature I've seen that comes with the knife that suggests it's anything other than a standard 110 hollow ground profile." If you look on the order form (picture attached), it CLEARLY STATES FLAT GRIND for the VERSION I (S35VN) option... simpler yet, if you simply look at the blade in hand, it is obviously FLAT and NOT HOLLOW GROUND. This new 110 copper frame S35VN IS a type of (for those who want to get particular) flat grind blade. If you don't believe it is flat, then buy one and see for yourself. I know the difference between hollow and flat grinds.
I was simply thrilled with my new knife and wanted to post pictures to enjoy. Can we please simply enjoy this "STUNNING BCCI Buck 110: 1st EVER w/ Copper Bolsters & Flat grind S35VN Steel! 1/100"
It is a FIRST for a flat grind in S35VN for a Buck 110.

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Excellent! Thanks for clearing this up "officially". As I said "There's nothing in the literature I've seen..." & not being a BCCI member, I've not seen the order form.

I'm still on the fence about trying to hunt one down. It's probably my personal 2nd favorite 110 from BCCI. Congrats to all who got their hands on them. Keep us posted on how easy/difficult to sharpen. That is, if you actually use it for anything other than hair or paper...lol
 
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