Subtle Sebenza Changes Over The Years...

Professor

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Just things I've noticed as a multiple small regular-profile Sebenza owner and user since '02. You've maybe noticed these things too, and feel free to chime in if my observations are more gin-related than based in reality (doesn't make me a bad person). I do not own a 21, but my quasi-educated guess is that these changes/evolutions were probably applied on them too:

1. Clip thickness. The gauge of ti went from super thick on my '02 small regular Seb to whimpy thin on my '07 small regular Seb to a happy medium thickness on my current '08 small regular Seb (my '07 small regular that I unwrapped from my safe and started carrying three weeks ago is now at the bottom of Smith Mountain Lake if anybody has some scuba gear, an underwater metal detector and about three years to scour the places I was jet-skiing with my Son this past weekend--life is all about loss). Please, CRK, no more whimpy clips!

2. Blade tang ramp width and angle (not the lockbar face). My guess is that the changes were made to reduce long-term wear. It would seem that the angle has increased ever-so-slightly over the past eight-or-so years. The tang face on my '08 is less wide too. CRK probably got tired of repairs related to this! Can't blame them in the least. I'm not a rich man by any stretch, but there's a reason why my Son and I believe in these knives.

3. CRK logo placement. The logo seems to have drifted somewhat (a millimeter or two) to the right of where it was back in '02 on my '08. Could well be the Tanqueray, however.

4. Side handle ridges. They dissappeared at some point; my '02's got three ridges the full length of the handles except on the front (blade side) of the handle. My '08 has none. My nearly departed '07 had none.

5. Bead blast agressiveness. Not sure at all on this, but it would seem that the blast has become more agressive over the years. Perhaps to increase grippiness. Perhaps the gin. Again, not sure.

6. Magical properties. Definitely not the gin. Some will say that the Sebenza is just a tool, like any other knife. I guess opinions on this will vary like they will on religion, politics, etc. But to me, the magic is still very much there. At the risk of placing Chris too high on a pedestal and sounding like a nutjob fanboy (which in reality I probably am), the Sebenza is the product of ~30 years of refinement. Is the same true of our other custom and production folders? You tell me. Personally, I only wish that every product we had available to us had this level of quality and refinement. Maybe one day when we all get the flying cars we were promised.

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All that said, what have you noticed in regard to CRK product changes?

Professor.
 
Add to your list the use of perforated washers, the use of a lanyard pin, and handle screws that have hex holes on both sides.
 
The sandblast finish has probably worn over the years.

The "side handle ridges" as you call them are part of the regular profile which isn't being produced. The 07 is probably the Classic, the 08 probably the 21.
 
The regulars dropped the ridges around the edges at some point in recent years. I know they were discontinued, but the regulars definitely became completly smooth-edged in the past few years like on my '08 model.

I've still got nib 2002's that appear less blasted than my newer regulars, but this being a gin-related anomaly is not at all out of the question.

Professor.
 
The regulars dropped the ridges around the edges at some point in recent years. I know they were discontinued, but the regulars definitely became completly smooth-edged in the past few years like on my '08 model.

I've still got nib 2002's that appear less blasted than my newer regulars, but this being a gin-related anomaly is not at all out of the question.

Professor.

The "Regular" profile has ridges. The new "21" profile doesn't. Neither did the "Classic". The "Regular" was dropped in 08 IIRC. It still has ridges as shown in the Limited Sebenzas that are produced annually.
 
I'm pretty sure we're not talking about the same ridges. I think you're talking about the ridges on a regular or limited that would predominately be at the forefinger when gripped with the blade open open.

I'm taking about the full-length lateral three ridges around the top, backside, and bottom outer edges of each ti slab of older regular models, which was changed to smooth at some point in later years of the regular's production run.

Not sure if the original Sebenza (pre-regular profile) or any older variations of the Classic model ever had these ridges, but the regulars definitely had them at one point.

Professor.
 
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I haven't been drinking (yet:D) but I'm pretty sure the blades on the older models were a little thicker at the point than the more recent ones. Yup, just went and checked and the tip on my Small ATS-34 model is even thicker than that of my Large 21!:eek:;) IIRC, it was the same with the Regulars and Classics as well.

P.S. Oh, and no ridges on the Small.
 
I'm pretty sure we're not talking about the same ridges. I think you're talking about the ridges on a regular or limited that would predominately be at the forefinger when gripped with the blade open open.

I'm taking about the full-length lateral three ridges around the top, backside, and bottom outer edges of each ti slab of older regular models, which was changed to smooth at some point in later years of the regular's production run.

Not sure if the original Sebenza (pre-regular profile) or any older variations of the Classic model ever had these ridges, but the regulars definitely had them at one point.

Professor.

I need a picture because I have no idea what those are. :D
 
Speaking of "ridges" - I almost forgot about the changes to the thumbstuds over the generations...
 
Hi. And what about the chamfer on the handle section around the the thumb stud? I believe it has uniform symmetric thickness now and it used to be broader in the middle (as on my Classic).
Oldřich
 
Hi. And what about the chamfer on the handle section around the the thumb stud? I believe it has uniform symmetric thickness now and it used to be broader in the middle (as on my Classic).
Oldřich

I think that the chamfer is wider in the middle on the 21's, and the same on the classics, right?
 
I'll second the observation about the more aggressive blasting.

Or...maybe its just with a re-blast?

Got my large regular back after a re-blast and it appeared rougher and much darker than before. It wasn't wear either because it had almost zero pocket time. It went it for other work so I just had them re-blast it for a total overhaul with all new parts.
 
The ridges where eliminated in later years of regular style production. Don't remember just when, but I remember I felt it was a cheapening of the product, making it less desirable. Still do.
 
I don't feel that way, but I'm dang glad to hear someone knows what I'm talking about! :)

Professor.
 
Re : ridges. I own a 2008 large Classic and recently bought a large 21 Tanto. CRK seem to have made changes to the edge profile of the handle there too.....see my photo (the Classic is on top, Tanto on the bottom).

 
Both have the newer happy-medium-thickness clips. I dig that.

Professor.

Personally I prefer thicker clips, anyone have a comparison photo?

About the edge bevels, I do notice a difference between my Lg. Regular and 21. The 21 appears to have one bevel while the regular seems to have a double bevel that makes it appear more rounded.
 
I think that the chamfer is wider in the middle on the 21's, and the same on the classics, right?

As far as I know the chamfer around the stud is broader in the middle on the Classics and uniform on the 21s. Not sure about those earlier models though...
 
I know it's a much less popular feature but I rather prefered the old style Serrations I have on my 99 Reg to the new 21 double row/double ground ones, they seem too deep for my taste.

Now these changes are not subtle, though changes none the less.
 
From what I remember the ridges found on the early reg. models were a by-product from the production/milling process that was used at the time to make those handles. The process changed at some point and eliminated the ridges that you're talking about. I always sort of liked them.
 
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