Suggestion of knife for women - self-defense?

While training and practice are no doubt important, the fact of the matter is that many people, perhaps more women than men, do not want to carry a firearm, or may not be able to legally do so.

Also, when men think of being accosted, it is by a usually armed individual usually bent on parting us from whatever of value we are packing. For women, it is a completely different world. Not only could they be robbed, but it is a fact that there are rapists everywhere. Sure, a majority of rapes are done by acquaintances, but a great many are not. And, unfortunately, a great many rapists physically assault their victims, often to the point of causing their deaths. You have to remember that rape is not primarily a sexual crime. It is a power crime, done by inadequate men who tend to truly hate women. They have to look at self-defense differently than we men do.

In the area of self-defense, I'm sure that the laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But, all women who find themselves in the process of an attempted, ongoing, or just completed rape justifiably have to be prepared for an effort by their assailant to kill them. If the only weapon the woman carries is in her handbag, then in most situations it will be of no use to her. On the other hand, a knife in a sheath or clipped to her undergarments has a much better potential to be available at any stage of such an assault. Personally, I'd say that women have a far greater probability of needing a knife to save their lives than men do, by a wide margin.

Having said all this, I would recommend a good neck knife, or a reasonably sized knife that can be clipped into a useful place on one's person. I love the Fang I bought used, but the bloody sheath isn't tight enough. Am going to bake it in toaster oven and try to reform it soon. I think the Camillus ArcLite is fine also. A bit better, but also more expensive, is the Fallkniven WM-1. It has a single edge, is likely to be legal in many more places than the double edged Garm or one of Cold Steel's little daggers. With the exception of the mini-Culloden. That is one wicked little sticker.

I don't think the quality of steel is terribly important if a knife is intended solely for self defense, so would suggest that the Bearclaw is a more economical choice than the Perrin. If a knife is to be both utilitarian and for defense, then the WM-1 is as good a choice as any so far as neck knives are concerned.

For a folder, I join whomever in suggesting the Spyderco Native or Delica. I have a Native and love it. The Delica has been Spyderco's best seller for many years for very good reason. I'd even suggest the Calypso Jr Ltwt, tho I don't think it is as strong as the other 2 knives. On the other hand, it is the best slicing knife out there according some very knowledgeable folks.

ShoKnife -- the least expensive of the knives named is the ArcLite. Next would be the Bearclaw. Both the Native and the Delica -- and Calypso Jr -- go for somewhere in the $40-$50 range.

Woops -- almost forgot -- the new Paragee by Outdoor Edge is in that ballpark cost-wise, and is a very good knife. Also forgot the new Chive by Kershaw. They are a semi-auto/spring assisted opening knife, just under a 2" blade, cute as hell, and cost under $30 at Bayou LaFourche.

And last, but not at all least, welcome to the forums. We mean well.

The new software isn't as easy to bounce around and paste URLs into as the old. Here's the URL for Bayou LaFourche:
http://64.49.193.154/store.asp
Their prices are usually near the bottom, and the service from Roger and his minions is excellent and the shipping prompt. Well, they do use UPS, so delivery isn't quite so swift.

Also, shootist16, Dennis Bible whom you can find easily with a search, if you can't see a thread by him on the first couple pages here I'd be surprised, sells knives. He also provide excellent prices, top notch service, prompt shipping, and he uses Priority Mail, so you get 'em quick too.

Failing all else, go to:
http://www.1blink.com/
Type in knives and hit enter.
 
well my wife LOVES the CRKT mini kasper - when she saw the 1 i ordered she siezed it immediatly - fits her hand nice, she carries it in a horizontal belt sheath i got w/a microtech minisocom, and has never looked back(the mini- kasper passes the spine wack test w/out lawks engaged while my full size kasper fails!!)!! am thinking of getting her a crawford custom mini kasper for our anniversary - of course the knife is a last ditch weapon, used more as a tool than a weapon - she also carries a MOD razorback in a custom sheath in her purse, and , more imprtantly a SIG P225 9MM w/which she is well trained and 2 spare mags w/remington +P+ ammo - and a seecamp .32 w/silvertips, and Def Tek OC spray - so she is well prepared imho


sifu ....
 
And I really, really wish people would stop answering the question, "Which knife for such-and-such," with the answer, "Gosh, carry a handgun, it's much better." Those answers, while they certainly make sense, do not answer the question at hand.
 
While I think that a few individuals, in this thread, have addressed Shoknife's question adequately I also feel that some have completely missed the point.

If I am not mistaken he was asking for advice for a specific type of knife recommendation, not for a "fighting knife" recommendation, but rather one that would surely only be used as a last resort in a emergency defensive situation by a women to defend herself.

Of coarse we all know that a gun is better than a knife. And a sword is better than a knife. And pepper spray is probably more useful than a knife. And all forms of self defense should be coupled with training. And so on and so on....

But, Shoknife didn't ask for our advice on training or other forms of self defense or knife fighting. He asked for a recommendation for a knife, that the women in his life, could rely on in a seriously desperate situation.

I don't advocate carrying of any form of weapon without training, but if someone attacks my wife, sister, or mother with the obvious attempt at harming them, then I hope that they have at their disposal any weapon which may surprise and hopefully greatly injure the would be attacker.

I mean who would deny a women the right to defend herself in anyway she chooses?? Not I!!!!

So with all that having been said...

Shoknife,
Please read all these posts here within your thread and please heed all the warnings. They are real. All of them. I just wish that so many people here wouldn't jump down someone's throat automatically when they see such a post. Some people do need to defend themselves and cannot always carry a gun.
Also, there are many good suggestions here as to what kind of knife to carry and I would look into all of them. I really don't have anything to add regarding your "what knife" question. I would add that "any" knife would be better than "no" knife in the given scenario. I would choose a knife that she feels comfortable carrying, can draw quickly, and is legal within your juristiction.

Please don't let the previous posts discourage you from posting here in the future. These guys were just trying to help, and they did after all, supply you with some good information. Just not necessarily what you were looking for.;)

Oh yeah..........Welcome to BFC!!!

--The Raptor--
 
I wish people would give us more imformation such as Lifestyle,occupation age ,weather for in home or on the street carry,does she work on a ranch (I guess not in NYC)or an office?
One woman friend wanted a knife for while she rode her bike.Light weight and not pockets on bike shorts,so An Endura worked for her.Another stashed knives all over the house while her husband was off huning.i said why not just wear one while in the house?So she now wears a 5 inch fixed blade while Dave is off getting that "free meat".

I'll guess at urban carry and go with what others have said,Delica,La Griffe,and neck knives like Running Dogs,hobbit Fang ect.Btw I like to wear "neck knives" on my belt or in a pocket.Right now i have a Running Dog on my belt,horizontal with an untucked shirt,open kydex sheath fast right or left hand draw no one see's it.

A folder is most likely the route she will go,and so I'll say delica.Its in your price range she can clip it anywhere as her mode of dress changes( coat on or off ect.)palm it as she walks,well made and a company that stands behind its products.

Good luck and let us know how she likes her new blade.
 
razoredj wrote:

And I really, really wish people would stop answering the question, "Which knife for such-and-such," with the answer, "Gosh, carry a handgun, it's much better." Those answers, while they certainly make sense, do not answer the question at hand.


With all due respect I believe any question posed here is done so to elicit the opinions of the membership.

If someone asked me which knife was best to disassemble a car, I wouldn't say an SAK just because it fit the parameters of thier question. I'd suggest the proper tool for the job. In this case, unless specific information states that gun carry is not an option, then I stand by my opinion.

'Course everyone knows a good ole' mondo Bowie would be the best to disassemble a car... ;)
 
Star model BM in 9MM, small, flat, reliable and reasonably priced. My wife can put all 9 rounds in the black at 15 yards. DON'T TAKE A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT! Besides..then she leaves MY knives alone;)
 
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Well...if you couldnt figure it out.......what I was REALLY saying was......FORGET THE STUPID KNIFE IDEA!! :)
It will only get you hurt! :(
 
With the state of new york falling more and more under draconian and unconstitutional laws, a gun is really not an option in some areas. I know a guy in my town who's been trying to get a carry permit for ten years. He's a respectable, gainfully employed, man with no record. I hear the city is worse. I'm not saying bring a knife to a gunfight. I'm just saying that I'd rather have a knife than a stack of papers that might someday turn into a gun. Now home defense is another matter, but carry of a gun is just not a legal option for some of us. And as Razoredj pointed out, it does little good to laugh at the question posed and say buy a gun.

I would advise that you get the biggest knife you can legaly carry, and train in it's use. You have a number of training options in the city. While you're doing this, you can begin the paperwork for pistol carry, if that's a viable option for you.

Good luck
 
i'd like to say thanks to everyone that has replied!! i originally posted my question and had 1-2 answers, coming back now less than a day later i have 28 replies!! i've read them all, and i will look up all the knives you have suggested! thanks again.
 
Originally posted by Elvislives
razoredj wrote:



With all due respect I believe any question posed here is done so to elicit the opinions of the membership.

If someone asked me which knife was best to disassemble a car, I wouldn't say an SAK just because it fit the parameters of thier question. I'd suggest the proper tool for the job. In this case, unless specific information states that gun carry is not an option, then I stand by my opinion.

'Course everyone knows a good ole' mondo Bowie would be the best to disassemble a car... ;)

Well, of course -- I never meant to imply otherwise. But in this instance the question asked was pretty specific, and well within the parameters of a reasonable solution to the situation listed (rather than trying to disasemble a car with a pocketknife, which obviously does require a different solution).

I guess I'm a little ornery when it comes to the "a gun is better than a knife response" because I take that as a given. I mean, if I wanted to know what handgun was best for self-defense, I'd ask; if I want to know what knife is best, I'd ask that. But that's just me; I'm a pretty literal guy. ;)
 
In my haste and standard poor brain functioning state, forgot to mention a couple knives I think worthy of checking out. Both are by CRKT.

First is the Lightfoot Urban Shark. This comes in two sizes. The large has a 3" blade. It is gray, not black, so less conspicuous. And, I think a fine design. I think many might agree with that recommendation.

The other might get fewer nods of appreciation, but for a self-defense type knife, has a lot going for it in my opinion. It is the Apache II. IMO this knife is designed primarily for self defense. It has a blade of ATS34, a good knife steel. It's handles are anodized aluminum, very hardy. Best of all, it is on sale at Smoky Mountain Knife Works for $20. Their URL is:
http://www.eKnifeworks.com/

Would like to recommend to male forumites who have women they care about in their lives that they read the books by John Douglas, the former FBI profiler, in which he deals with rapists and serial killers. I think they might convince some that a woman is better off with something to use for a weapon, whether trained or not.

Hope this may be of use to you, ShoKnife. Also, if you have gun questions, I believe there are gun forums on the web. I think I visited one once, but can't remember name or anything. There are myriad places where one can receive martial arts training, and a few where one can get knife fighting training. For a starter and for some practice at home, I would recommend the book, "Master of the Blade" by Richard Ryan.
 
Shoknife-

For investing a minimal amount of training in learning how to open it, I think the Merlin is about as instinctual of a knife to use as you can get. In a life or death situation, apart from years of training, a person tends to go with gross motor movements like slapping, pawing and scratching. The little hooked blade of the Spyderco Merlin is almost perfect for this type of defensive work. The blade is approximately 2.75" long, the knife when closed is 4" long. A neat compact little tool that offers tremendous effectiveness.

Just click here www.spyderco.com to get to their web site.
 
agree when ya post what is best knife q and every 1 says carry gun it is digressing from the topic but face it, w/so many states passing CCW laws it is much more realistic to carry a gun vs knife, especially w/minimal training imho - while the knife is usefull no doubt, you could find yourself in a situation where you pull your knife and get justifiably(legally anyway) shot - if my wife had a choice of carrying a SIFU, Gunting, etc vs a Glock/SIG 9MM, give her the 9MM anytime imho - the knife still relies on some physical strength etc while the gun does not - i love knives but for when the chips are down i will take my SIG P220 .45ACP, Glock 23 .40 or my Glock 32C 357 or my colt series 70 1911 .45ACP w/custom mods overANY knife ever made and will take a colt CAR15 or an AKM over any of those if the chips are down - just my .02 worth


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