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This one says: "A moment please. Life is precious gift. Find help
Here is some more to look at if you enjoy seeing photos of dead people.
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Eerie place...Id definitely avoid hiking there if i was ever in Japan.
I hope so too. I truly believe deep down that we ultimately transcend into something better, regardless of what life in this world hands us.
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NVm...
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The Yakuza pay homeless people to sneak into the forest and rob the corpses.
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Ya..I get that but why?
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O....duh. Misread it.
Thanks for sharing but I don't want to remember any links.
There is also known as a garbage of wastes that include victims of Japanese mafia.
Cutting trees, planting edibles are both prohibited because there is a national monument of the nature.
Carrying SAKs is illegal and there are lots of scavengers, and soil doesn't keep water.
I have not watched any pics of wooden shelters at there...
There is also known as a garbage of wastes that include victims of Japanese mafia.
Cutting trees, planting edibles are both prohibited because there is a national monument of the nature.
Carrying SAKs is illegal and there are lots of scavengers, and soil doesn't keep water.
I have not watched any pics of wooden shelters at there...
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To the OP, thanks for sharing. Very moving documentary.
Places like that draw me. There's something very primal about it. The line between life and death, and the fact that we are all going to cross it is a things to be grasped, and understood.
When you've no fear of dying, then you can truly live.
No offense, but that's coming from someone who hasn't been there.
Some people's lives aren't worth living, and they can't see it ever getting better. When they have no hope, there is no reason to live. What others are going to feel plays no role in the decision, except maybe a few moments of "Well, if they feel bad, maybe they should have felt bad enough beforehand to help."
To say that someone who has decided that they are better off dead should not make that decision because of how others may feel is, indeed, the selfish act.
Places like that draw me. There's something very primal about it. The line between life and death, and the fact that we are all going to cross it is a things to be grasped, and understood.
When you've no fear of dying, then you can truly live.
No offense, but that's coming from someone who hasn't been there.
Some people's lives aren't worth living, and they can't see it ever getting better. When they have no hope, there is no reason to live. What others are going to feel plays no role in the decision, except maybe a few moments of "Well, if they feel bad, maybe they should have felt bad enough beforehand to help."
To say that someone who has decided that they are better off dead should not make that decision because of how others may feel is, indeed, the selfish act.
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I am speaking from a position of near complete ignorance but as I understand it, death and suicide is viewed differently in Japanese culture. We see things here mostly from a Judeo-Christian P.O.V., where suicide is the ultimate sin.
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Well said!
Why would the Yakuza pay the homeless to steal the items? Wouldn't it be easier for the homeless to steal the items on their own and get paid for them? Not sure if I understood...
Anyway, I definitely couldn't camp at that place. I've dealt with a suicide a lot in my life... I've known a lot of people that have taken their own life, and I've had a gun in my mouth and my feet on the edge of a bridge, so as far as actually committing the act goes I think I can say I understand the motivation to some degree. The only thing that ever saved me was that when I got to that final point where it was time to pull the trigger or pick my feet up off the bridge, my will to stick it out and see how things turn out was stronger than the will to end it; but having known so many people where the opposite were true and their situations I've always remained empathetic toward them..
I mean, when my grandfather shot himself, I had the idea of, "What a selfish thing to do," without anyone telling me to think such a thing, and I was about 9 or 10. I thought, "Oh, why would he put us through this," and so I asked my mother why. Turns out he had a stroke, he couldn't read anymore ( which was one of his favorite things to do ) and couldn't see well enough to take care of himself, was in pain all the time because of nerve damage sustained during the stroke and was incontinent... This was a man who was just a few months earlier chopping wood in 20 degree weather at the age of 78. To me the idea of living that kind of a crippled life versus the one he had led was terrible, and I realized that he was not being the selfish one, I was. To say, "Oh, why would you put us through this," when it was in fact what he had to go through that I should care more about.
I'm not saying that it's not a selfish act, I just find the lack of understanding and acceptance by people's relatives and loved ones to be more selfish. I can certainly understand the feelings, and I never wound up not having them for other loved ones who killed themselves, but every time I realized that my grief and my sorrow for losing them was nothing compared to the suffering they had to live through day to day. It's hard to lose someone, but the important thing to realize is that if the person killed themselves, it must have been pretty damn hard to lead their life, and I don't really think that the statements of, "What a selfish thing to do," are without their own selfishness.
Either way, definitely a place I couldn't camp. Seeing the remains, the places were people met their demise, and the sings... That would all be a little too eerie for me. Then you factor in the idea of the "spiritual" realm, and you wouldn't see me going to that forest.
Anyway, I definitely couldn't camp at that place. I've dealt with a suicide a lot in my life... I've known a lot of people that have taken their own life, and I've had a gun in my mouth and my feet on the edge of a bridge, so as far as actually committing the act goes I think I can say I understand the motivation to some degree. The only thing that ever saved me was that when I got to that final point where it was time to pull the trigger or pick my feet up off the bridge, my will to stick it out and see how things turn out was stronger than the will to end it; but having known so many people where the opposite were true and their situations I've always remained empathetic toward them..
I mean, when my grandfather shot himself, I had the idea of, "What a selfish thing to do," without anyone telling me to think such a thing, and I was about 9 or 10. I thought, "Oh, why would he put us through this," and so I asked my mother why. Turns out he had a stroke, he couldn't read anymore ( which was one of his favorite things to do ) and couldn't see well enough to take care of himself, was in pain all the time because of nerve damage sustained during the stroke and was incontinent... This was a man who was just a few months earlier chopping wood in 20 degree weather at the age of 78. To me the idea of living that kind of a crippled life versus the one he had led was terrible, and I realized that he was not being the selfish one, I was. To say, "Oh, why would you put us through this," when it was in fact what he had to go through that I should care more about.
I'm not saying that it's not a selfish act, I just find the lack of understanding and acceptance by people's relatives and loved ones to be more selfish. I can certainly understand the feelings, and I never wound up not having them for other loved ones who killed themselves, but every time I realized that my grief and my sorrow for losing them was nothing compared to the suffering they had to live through day to day. It's hard to lose someone, but the important thing to realize is that if the person killed themselves, it must have been pretty damn hard to lead their life, and I don't really think that the statements of, "What a selfish thing to do," are without their own selfishness.
Either way, definitely a place I couldn't camp. Seeing the remains, the places were people met their demise, and the sings... That would all be a little too eerie for me. Then you factor in the idea of the "spiritual" realm, and you wouldn't see me going to that forest.
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Have you guys seen the bridge? It is a documentary about people who commit suicide by jumping off of the golden gate bridge. It is supposed to be the most popular place to die in the USA or maybe the world, I cannot remember.
It is very interesting because you meet the friends of people who jumped off and find out why they did it. The film maker sets up cameras for one year and manages to capture like 25 people or so jumping and splashing into the water. Very good movie.
I will have to check this video out. My grandma told me about this forrest, but she mentioned people getting lost on purpose and starving to death. I guess either way it is at least a peaceful place to die.
It is very interesting because you meet the friends of people who jumped off and find out why they did it. The film maker sets up cameras for one year and manages to capture like 25 people or so jumping and splashing into the water. Very good movie.
I will have to check this video out. My grandma told me about this forrest, but she mentioned people getting lost on purpose and starving to death. I guess either way it is at least a peaceful place to die.
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I respectfully disagree, Esav. Well, I disagree that your statement is all-encompassing. I imagine many or most suicides may want people to be sorry, etc., but that statement doesn't hold true for many others.
Speaking only from my own experience, suicidal ideations can be very intense and overwhelming. It isn't about other people or their actions/inactions. It is about finding a release from the emotional pain of living. It is reaching the very end of your rope, and not finding a knot to hang onto. There is no thought of what others might feel, or how your death would impact them. It is not about revenge or "I told you so" or "If only you had..."
It is about stopping the pain. Making it go away. Despair. Unworthiness. Shame. "Stop the World, I want to get off." A person with this type of suicial ideation isn't trying to be selfish - there is no self. There is no "ish." There is only pain. There always resides in this person's mind many ways to end the pain - sometimes the thoughts are constant, sometimes they are very remote. There is no thought of others - this isn't about the "others." It is all about the self and the intense internal pain that causes one to curl up and cry. The pain does not ease. There is no comfort.
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That pretty much sums up my experience with it. I will add that I have witnessed the kind Esav mentioned, but they seem to be the attention getters rather than the real deal. The attention getters call someone to tell them, so that the person feels guilty, bad, or responsible and often times, the attempt is thwarted. In the real deal, it comes from someone who you know is grappling with it, but doesn't reach out, they just do it.