Sun Fish vs. Elephant Toe

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Hey guys what is the difference between the sun fish pattern and elephant toe pattern? Are they the same knife just different names? I saw a knife called an elephant toe and it looked real similar to a sun fish. Another quick question...What is the primary function of said style knives? Do they have a specific purporse or are they just another pattern to choose from? If you guys do not mind post pics if you can. Thanks!
 
The sunfish, also known as the elephant's toe-nail are the same pattern, just different names. Levine's Guide to Knives, 4th Edition, has information on them on page 192.

At this time, they are collectors items, and often pricey.
 
I'm pretty sure I have one of those with the smaller blade broken off. Made by IXL, hopefully its sitting somewhere in my parents house.

Edit: Apparently it's more of an American pattern. And I think mine was British made. Still had that big blade but more of a tear shape.
 
... more of a tear shape.
That would be a sleeveboad, a knife handle larger at one end than the other. This is especially appropriate to a pattern like the sunfish, where one blade is so much larger than the other, but most sunfishes are equal end anyway.
 
Esav - Thanks. Sleeveboard is exactly right. Googled and found a "jumbo jack" on A.G. Russel site. Exact same pattern. Sorry to have hijacked the thread but glad to get that cleared up.
 
No problem, not really a hijack, since sleeveboards are found on sunfish as a normal variant.

Sleeveboard is exactly right. Googled and found a "jumbo jack" on A.G. Russel site. Exact same pattern.
Wow. That's got to be the best deal on a sunfish I've seen. A good knife at the best price -- outside of some imports too cheap to be worth the postage. :p

Now compare the price of that jumbo jack (sunfish) with this Wildcat Driller (sunfish) -- in ram's horn! This gets better and better. You guys could end up costing me money tonight. :D
 
A few sunfish/toenail pics. These are Case Classics from 1994 to 1996.

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Here are a couple in the lower right corner.
Weren't they also referred to as rope knives?

The newer, midnight black one is much flatter. I like the older rounded pattern.
Above then, there is a S&M baby sunfish.

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I have heard the term "English Rope Knife" used for Sunfish, but have not done any research as to the legitimate use of the term for Sunfish.

I also think Rope Knife was used in a Knife World article on Sunfish a while back.
 
I am home with sick kids today, so I had time to add some pictures. Not very good ones, but a few more looks.

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This pattern (or, rather, set of patterns) is fascinating to look at and talk about. However, a lot of these knives' owners neglect to look into what is arguably the most important thing to know about the Sunfish/Elephant Toenail/English Rope Knife...etc. I.e. what is it like to carry these big beauties and how well do they perform? FWIW, IMHO:

1. Carry;

This can vary according to a given knife's size and handle materials. "Small" versions (i.e. 3 7/8" to about 4" closed) tend to be relatively easy to carry. They have a pocket feel that is a bit like "a Canoe on steroids". Not bad at all, even with natural materials like bone or pearl. With other materials, like celluloid, for example, knife weight can be less than that which is possible with more natural materials. While I have never had an opportunity to handle and use wood-handled specimens (and they are not all that common) I suspect that these knives would "split the difference" between bone/pearl/ivory(?) and synthetic materials.

On the other hand, "large" versions (i.e. 4 1/4" closed and larger) can be a real chore to carry in a pants pocket. For a lot of us these knives can be an inducement to wear suspenders and a belt, esp. when "natural" handle materials are used. It seems to me to be no accident that many of these knives were most often carried in the pockets of vests, coats, mackinaws, and bibbed overalls.

2. Use;

If examples of this pattern type is put together well with high-quality materials these knives can be cutting machines! Their large size and unique handle cross-section provide for an extremely secure and hand-filling grip. One can really "bear down" on these knives.

In addition, these knives tend to have extremely robust constructions that almost invite their owners to use them hard. These knives tend to have very thick liners and pretty "stiff" springs, for example. Their broad master blades and relatively large "pen" blades (which can be at least as large as many patterns' master blades) really put "beef" into cuts. The common "high tipped" master blades that many of these knives have can make them pretty useless as "piercers" ( that job is usually done with the knives' "pen" blades) but it helps to make them pretty fair "slicers" and, for all I know, "skinners". It also makes it pretty difficult to break these big blades. Except for examples that obviously were egregiously abused most of the damaged examples of these knives that I have seen had most of the damage done to their "pen" blades.

For myself, I very often carry a bone handled 4" equal-end Winchester Sunfish (my favorite term) made by Queen. While this knife may be a tad bigger than I absolutely need it is a joy to use and it is no big problem to carry. I have also carried Sunfish that were of other sizes and had other handle materials.

I must say that I have truly enjoyed my forays into "Sunfishland". I have also learned a lot from carrying and using these "friendly monsters" that I would have learned in no other way.
 
Thanks everyone for the great pics and information. I think if I were to start collecting this pattern would be the one. Dare I say these knives are cute?! They are just so appealing to look at. Thanks again gang!
 
My first foray into the "Sunfish" pond. This is an older (1994) Don Hanson "Sunfish" in damascus and jigged rosewood.

Just under 4.5" closed and a whopping 9 1/8 oz. (Anybody got suspenders they can loan me? ;))

Honestly, though, it's a great knife and I was happy to have the opportunity to purchase it from another bladeforums member who had it up for sale recently.

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My first foray into the "Sunfish" pond. This is an older (1994) Don Hanson "Sunfish" in damascus and jigged rosewood.

Just under 4.5" closed and a whopping 9 1/8 oz. (Anybody got suspenders they can loan me? ;))

Jigged rosewood and damascus. Great leap into the sunfish pond, Elliott! Don built those early models hell for strength. I have a couple of his single blade models from the 1990's, and one in each pocket helps the pants stay more centered. :D I won't say suspenders wouldn't help, though! ;)

Thanks for posting that one.

- Joe
 
Thanks, Joe. I have since found out how well sprung this knife is. ;)

I'm really liking this knife and looking for an excuse to tote it with me (except it pulls my shorts down so I may have to wait for cooler weather :p).
 
Ya done good on Don's knife Elliott. Glad you got it, since I was being tempted. :D.

I lucked out at Blade finding an XX era in bone. Nicest one I have seen that old with original finish and nary a mark other than the typical blade rub you will find on Case sunfish.
 
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