Surgical Steel?

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Freddyb said:
Case makes great knives. Case, ka-bar, Ontario are all equally good companies. Case and Ontario offer great products for a good price. Company's like ka-bar charge you more for the same quality knife. Case actually designed the original mark 2 military knife in 1942, which we have all come to know as the ka-bar. Union cutlery (which later became "ka-bar razors" was just one of the 4 original manufacturers of the ka-bar during the war. With case, Ontario, or ka-bar you can rest assured you'll get a god quality knife. Case offers knives at a good price, but their knives can also get pretty expensive. I have an old case folder that cost 350$. Now the case xx USMC knife was made by Ontario. Case contracted Ontario to make their USMC Knife. Personally I think Ontario makes some of the best knives for the price. I mean, Ontario has been the sole contract holder and manufacturer of the u.s military for over 50 years. Most of the hype and stories you have heard about the USMC kabar are in reference to the Ontario 498. Case, Ontario, and ka-bar are all made here in the u.s, and have all been used by the military. But one thing I consider is the fact that, out of all the knife companies that have had contracts with our military, most were short lived and their contracts barely lasted the war, but every ka-bar issued by our military since the end of world war 2 has been an Ontario 498. So considering the extreme testing and standards of the military, the fact that Ontario has remained the soul Contractor of the u.s military for over half a century says alot about that quality ! I say this because case, ka-bar and Ontario are equally great knives , and some of cases knives are actually manufactured by ontario. So when buying any of the three you know your getting a great quality knife.
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You are posting on a 13 year old thread and the guy who asked the question hasn't logged in for 3 years.

BladeScout said:
Seems to be some sort of Ka-Bar crusade - here another KB necro-thread;
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-the-Kabar-Case-or-Ontario-Marine-knife/page2
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My gosh! The guy is a necrothreadologist!
 
Freddyb said:
...Case designed the mark 2 military knife, which we Lol know as the ka-bar. ...
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Anybody able to confirm or deny this claim? I see no evidence of it being true...or even any evidence that Case made any 1219C2 knives for the US military at all outside of a prototype of a knife designed by Union Cutlery, USMC Colonel John M. Davis, and USMC Major Howard E. America.
 
WadeF said:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is surgical steel? Is it basically a term for "crap" or a general term for junk metals like 440a, etc? When I was a kid I used to buy a lot of those big Crocodile Dundee type knives by companies like United Cutlery and they commonly featured surgical steel.
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I am intrested in the sunblades lucent flipper but a total knives newbie would you suggest that knive ?
 
Danbo said:
Now, the steel used in the Victorinox knives is a different situation altogether. No, it's not a super high tech, big dollar powder stainless. I think it is 440A. The difference is, the Victorinox blades are flat ground so thin, you can actually cut with them long after they are no longer shaving sharp. And, they sharpen quite easily.
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What he said,used my new sak farmer for whittling on some seasoned oak and it was taking some big scallops out of the wood after about 35 cuts it could still shave arm hair,I was actually pretty surprised
 
Surgical generally infers razor sharp, stainless, reaction free and easy to sharpen yet not able to hold an edge for long periods without touch up. Usually soft while still rigid. These are the requisites for surgery. It doesn't have to hold an edge long, like a Barber's razor. That would be called surgical steel whatever it's made of.

Pretty much exactly what everyone thinks it is and says it is.
 
wensynch said:
Surgical generally infers razor sharp, stainless, reaction free and easy to sharpen yet not able to hold an edge for long periods without touch up. Usually soft while still rigid. These are the requisites for surgery. It doesn't have to hold an edge long, like a Barber's razor. That would be called surgical steel whatever it's made of.

Pretty much exactly what everyone thinks it is and says it is.
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No, it is not. Steel used in surgery can be stainless or carbon and is made from various steels, including 13C26 (found on some of our knives).

FYI- This thread is old...
 
marcinek said:
Anybody able to confirm or deny this claim? I see no evidence of it being true...or even any evidence that Case made any 1219C2 knives for the US military at all outside of a prototype of a knife designed by Union Cutlery, USMC Colonel John M. Davis, and USMC Major Howard E. America.
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It seems to be the consensus of those who have actually studied the subject that Design 1219C2 was developed by USMC Colonel John M. Davis and Major Howard E. in cooperation with Union Cutlery and not Case. They also seem to agree that Case didn't make them in WW II. Camillus, the Union Cutlery Co., Robeson (ShurEdge) Cutlery Co., and the PAL Cutlery Co. did make them in WWII. Case did issue a commemorative run of the model in 1992.
 
Danbo said:
Now, the steel used in the Victorinox knives is a different situation altogether. No, it's not a super high tech, big dollar powder stainless. I think it is 440A. The difference is, the Victorinox blades are flat ground so thin, you can actually cut with them long after they are no longer shaving sharp. And, they sharpen quite easily.
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X55CrMo14 or 1.41110 Swiss Army knife Inox blade steel used by Victorinox.
 
Blues Bender said:
No, it is not. Steel used in surgery can be stainless or carbon and is made from various steels, including 13C26 (found on some of our knives).

FYI- This thread is old...
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My bad. I meant rust resistant when I used stainless, which is technically not the same, as mentioned.

Rust free.
 
marcinek said:
"Rust resistant" and "rust free" are not the same things.
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True. I think that the only "rust free" steel is the mythical Rostfrei!

I hear that stuff is amazing! Some day when I make it big, I'm gonna get me a rostfrei blade!
;)
 
19-3ben said:
True. I think that the only "rust free" steel is the mythical Rostfrei!

I hear that stuff is amazing! Some day when I make it big, I'm gonna get me a rostfrei blade!
;)
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Wrong! Rust free is it, the good old H1

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So surgical it opens skin, muscle, tendon and flesh without a problem!

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marcinek said:
"Rust resistant" and "rust free" are not the same things.
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Right.

The purpose of resistance is to be be free of rust. Free of rust is not necessarily resistant of rust.

So, to be clear & concise, I meant rust resistant and rust free.

Thank you.
 
19-3ben said:
True. I think that the only "rust free" steel is the mythical Rostfrei!

I hear that stuff is amazing! Some day when I make it big, I'm gonna get me a rostfrei blade!
;)
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I have a Rostfrei German switch blade I purchased around 1990. I actually like the knife for what it is, but I have never used it. Much higher quality than the Italian Stilletto's. Seems to be the perfect use for "rosfrei steel". ;)
 
There's a shop at home TV show I saw before where 2 guys were stabbing about 50 knives into a log and getting all excited that they were made of surgical steel
If it's good enough to stab a log it has to be decent, doesn't it?
 
Yeah, I believe those are either Smoky Mt Knife Works or Frost Cutlery folks. Buy 50 at a time.... :D
 
Danbo said:
I repeat my first post. What we normally see advertised as "Surgical Steel" is the cheapest stainless junk available, like 420J2. When a knife company lists "Surgical Steel", and not the actual steel type, it usually means they are using the cheapo stuff. Kinda like knife companies that list their steel only as 440 stainless. You can bet it is more likely to be 440A than 440C.
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Danbo said:
I repeat my first post. What we normally see advertised as "Surgical Steel" is the cheapest stainless junk available, like 420J2. When a knife company lists "Surgical Steel", and not the actual steel type, it usually means they are using the cheapo stuff. Kinda like knife companies that list their steel only as 440 stainless. You can bet it is more likely to be 440A than 440C.
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Actually I got a knife that was sold as surgical steel not only is it big 12 inchblade, 5incheck handle, it is a bowie knife, I sharpened it and haven't need to do it again it is heavy but well balanced to where I can throw it at a thick palm tree and the blade will go half way in the tree and still very sharp
 
Danbo said:
I repeat my first post. What we normally see advertised as "Surgical Steel" is the cheapest stainless junk available, like 420J2. When a knife company lists "Surgical Steel", and not the actual steel type, it usually means they are using the cheapo stuff. Kinda like knife companies that list their steel only as 440 stainless. You can bet it is more likely to be 440A than 440C.
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