Survival "experts"

Quirt said:
1. Unconscious Incompetence - "We don't know, what we don't know" - This is where you don't know something and/or can't do something effectively and you "don't know that you don't know it until someone reveals it too you!" I see this on this forum all the time from people's testimonies or descriptions about a given task or perspective about a topic or in their photos about things, tasks or subjects where I'm at level 4 or 5 on. For example: I can tell by looking at a person's campsite layout or their construction of their camp fire if they're unconsciously incompetent about a given task that I've mastered. The poster is all proud of their camp or fire and post a photo of it but are unaware of how ignorant they are about a given aspect of the camp site or fire construction - this is an example

2. Conscious Incompetence - "We just discovered we don't know something whether or not we'll openly or secretly admit it to ourselves and/or others.

3. Conscious Competence - "We can do it or know it but we have to have it at the foremost in our thought process" - we may need a job aid, or a coach to help us to be (or become) successful. This is where a mentor, coach, instructor or school really helps.

4. Unconscious Competence - "We know it or are have it so mastered it so well, we can do the task without thinking about it (from muscle memory)

5. Intentionally Incompetent - "We're so arrogant that even though we know we don't know something or can't do something we'll just bluff and muddle our way through it -and brag about how magnificent we are on the Internet"
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These are very well put. :thumbup:

I have on more occasions than I could ever list here fell into the: "I don't know what I don't know...... until I discover that I NEED to know what it is that I don't know". :confused: Confused...... I am. ;)
 
pvicenzi said:
We all survive until we die.
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But is it considered survival or thrivival if we live our current lives until we die?

I suppose survival is a very subjective term. for the point of clarification, I meant a person who believes (or has a following of people who believe) they can survive any environment they are thrust into, not necessarily life in general...:o

keep up the good discussion!
 
As a scientist, I hold international expertise in a limited technical field that is grounded in my publications, involvement in peer review and contributions to conferences, workshops and other services I provide to my field, my university and my government (and my expertise has nothing to do with survival)...

What makes a person an expert in my view has less to do with what they can actually do as so many people want to pigeon hole the term to be in this thread. It really is the ability to be nationally and international recognized as that person who `knows that area`....Knows that area often means somebody with a sound grounding in the historical context of the field of inquiry, who knows how theory and practice have developed over time, what ideas stuck and continue to be practiced and even more importantly what ideas were once tried out and found to be utter failures.

Being an expert really doesn`t have that much with doing stuff or being technically competent. It has to do with knowing how a new idea fits in with the theory and philosophical context of how a particular area has developed. It is about recognizing what is genuinely new, what is old shit being reworked yet again by some tired copier claiming to discovered `the answer`. Its knowing who the old players were, who the up in comers are and discriminating them from the wannabes...

Being a great football player is not going to make you an expert at foodball. You get experience at it. Being a great coach on the otherhand may make you an expert. Writing ten well recognized books on the subject and having a ground historical concept on the sport will probably make you an expert. By this standpoint, I`m not sure there are that many public experts in survival. There are certain a few great football player types out there that we really know the names of.

I`m sure the real experts are the ones updating the SAS handbook or doing things muc less glorious than making TV-shows, writing for-profit books (through ghost writers) or getting high with the real natives. They are more than likely stuffy old guys who make their beds such that you can bounce a dime of them and probably can`t shoot worth a damn.
 
fogelmanc said:
.......for the point of clarification, I meant a person who believes (or has a following of people who believe) they can survive any environment they are thrust into, not necessarily life in general...:o

keep up the good discussion!
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OK.

There appears to be plenty of people who believe that various "TV presenters" are capable of surviving in "any environment they are thrust into".

Here is just one example.

Even though I haven't seen the episode in question :D, I am led to believe (from comments I've read on the 'net), that an early episode of Dual Survivor was filmed on a Glacier in New Zealand.

The episode even showed the "onscreen talent" eating some local insects. :thumbup:

Now let me ask an honest question.

Is there anything in the resume of the 2 Nth Americans in question that might suggest that they actuall know what insects to eat in a different country (let alone a different hemisphere on this planet)?

Does anyone bother to have a look at the credits of the shows of all these so called experts?

Has anyone noticed that they all use a "local expert" to advise them on how to survive in that particular area?

Doesn't this suggest that even the "so called TV experts" rely on local knowledge, when they are outside their area?

So what conclusions can I draw from this?

The only "real experts" are the ones that have spent many years in their local environment and their expertise relates to the environment that they have spent their time in :thumbup:




Kind regards
Mick :D
 
an expert,

spurt is a drip under pressure.

ex = former.

an expert there for would be a former drip under pressure,
now,
how do you handle the pressure?
 
omniviking said:
an expert,

spurt is a drip under pressure.

ex = former.

an expert there for would be a former drip under pressure,
now,
how do you handle the pressure?
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:D:D:D I thought you were going to end with - an old girlfriend ;D

How about an axpert = Bernie Weisgerber.....
 
Expert expressed this way is far too common:

x is an unknown quantity and spurt is a discharge under pressure, therefore with an x-spurt you never quite know what you're going to get under pressure...

LOLz
 
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