Survival foods?

Ill make my pitch for condiments, spices, waxed cheese, bisquick, powdered eggs, powdered milk, and vegetable cooking oils. And i like the idea of stored beans, rice , flour, salt, and baking soda. My thinking is the more diverse and enjoyable the food the better.

Anybody know how long smoked meat lasts?
 
Coldwood,
Sounds like you are from my area.....I'm downeast Maine and I remember the Ice Storm of 98. Lost power for two weeks.....sucked.
I had twenty something people living with me by the end of it, as I had a masonary heater (wood stove) with oven as my primary heat source anyway.
Old gas cook stove worked just fine too.

When it comes to weather incidents you might be amazed at how stupid people can be. I had neighbors and friends showing up at my house and it usually happened like this.

"Hey, can we come over and stay with you? We have no heat without power buddy."
Me: "Yeah sure....your sleeping on the floor though. I'm getting full."

Then they show up.....with just themselves. Maybe toys for the kid or blankets....nothing else. I had NO ONE bring their own food to my house without be having to encourage them to do so......it was as if it never occurred to them. I had one lady tell me that none of there food was going to be good....they had no power. My response was.....well, how cold is it in your house? Freezing? That food will be fine.....IT IS FROZEN!!!
On the flip side, I know people with a heat source that lost food in the frig because they had no way to keep it cold. :confused: Did I mention it was FREEZING outside??
Do not depend on people have rational, inteligent thoughts during any sort of emergency.
I think a couple of months worth of food for you and your family is fine. Anything more than that is getting expensive unless you live alone. Even if this is food you normally eat. Having enough food to feed your family of four for six months will be expensive....something like 2,268 total meals. A larder of that magnitude has moved out of "food storage" and really is a non-performing asset at that point in IMHO. TEOTWAWKI??? Forgettiboutit! It will all be cheaper the second day. :D
Having said that, if you do have a family and you can knock out a #10 can worth of food in short time, consider making friends in the food service industry. The major distributors (Sysco, PFG, U.S. Foods) can floor your local supermarket when it comes to bulk.
 
Water
Salt
Flour
sugar
grease(lard)
pepper
beans and rice
100lbs. of taters(these don't last long around here:D )
The rest of the story has been posted already, fact is people one on one are pretty nice but get them into a group and you have a mob. When I think of "SHTF" my head goes right to complete lawlessness. There are man made rules and there are natural rules and if TSHTF all bets are off when it comes to man made law and natural law takes over. I'm not saying that I wanna kill anyone but they aren't gonna get me either.
The folks in the above posts that have good "reserve lists" have been hungy. I mean they know what it is to go without anything to eat eat for extended peiods. The staples that will get you through for long periods are more versitile than potted meat. Ready to eat foods are for the short term and are fine, but I wanna be ready for the long haul if nessessary.
 
Not one person has mentioned Jiffypop . L:O:L

I think what we keep has a lot to depend upon who we are . Those of us who are more self reliant or at least more used to being so think of necessities in a different fashion .

A guy who thinks in terms of the prime rib he can hunt out back and the guy more likely to scrounge up a couple of sky rats may have different priorities .
 
Yup. Been hungry before. I fed my child for ten days on my last ten dollars. I pretended I had already eaten when I gave him his plate. Boiled rice and chicken necks can be a feast. A can of navy beans can be peppered, thinned and mashed to make a good bean soup for two.

I was in a city at the time, and the only help the local churches would give was to allow me to use their phone job searching. After they had the office and sanctuary doors locked. Well, I got work, got a house, and moved the rest of my family there. But I was like Scarlet O'Hara in Gone With the Wind pulling up that carrot and swearing to never go hungry again. I had just enough time before the two back-to-back hurricanes hit to stock up.

It took some thought to find places to put my food and supplies. Most houses aren't just "ate up" with extra closets and storage space. Extreme heat and cold reduce the storage life of many foods. And water. Cases of factory sealed purified water in gallon jugs went under all the beds. The canned goods and such were packed in plastic cases and stacked in the back of the enclosed garage under a tarp. The dry goods packed in the five gallon and two gallon buckets likewise.

I guess Rubbermaid plastic storage boxes would work, but a dozen of those are not cheap, and not very heavy duty and weatherproof when filled with heavy canned goods. I started out using the heavy pasteboard boxes the bottled water came in (never liked chlorinated, flouridated city water). But the search for something better was on. One day I was getting some medicine out of my first aid box and a light bulb lit in my head (see B.C. comic strip). My family medical kit is a 8x8x12" ribbed metal box with steel clasps, gaskets, handles, and a pressure relief valve, a Pelican box on steroids. It was an old Navy aviation electronics test set box. A seperate compartment in the lid was intended for tech manuals, and holds those (first aid references) and bandages.

Patience, I'm getting there!:D

Now, being in a coastal area with a huge Navy presence, I hit all the surplus stores. I bingoed on one whose load from the DRMO included a bunch of huge plastic cases much like the small version I just mentioned. Most were about 36x36x36", but I found a few 28x28x28. And one 12x12x14. Most, but not all had some sort of defect. Small cracks in the lids or lower corners, bad gaskets, crushed latches. I bought them for a song. $4 each for four of the big ones, $6 each for two of the smaller ones, $8 for the smallest, and five large really busted ones free for parts.

I took them home and stripped the harnesses and suspension systems out, scrubbed them down inside and out, and dried them. Then I gouged out the cracks with a sharp chisel, and using thin strips of the broken ones for rods, welded them up with a soldering iron. I sanded them, painted them gloss gray (surplus spray paint), replaced the bad latches and gaskets from the parts boxes.

If I've either lost you or peaked your curiosity and you want to know what these boxes were originally for, they were shipping containers for helo gyros. They are ribbed for reenforcement, impact resistant, weatherproof, and have bosses top and bottom for positive stacking, latches and spring retracted handles on all sides. They are too heavy to move when filled, so have to be loaded it situ. My stack had camping gear and clothes in the upper ones, heavier items like the canned goods in the lower. My idea was to have my stuff weather and bug proofed if the roof came off my house.

Codger
 
Codger next to good baked beans , bean soup is my favourite . Is there nothing else that needs to be done aside from what you describe ?

Those are some heavy duty containers . I thought your other idea of the food grade buckets with gasketed lids held as much merit and are free . I used them to store sacks of rice . A 22 pound bag fit right in the ones I had .

Aside from needing good hands to pop the tops and the fact that fitting canned goods or oddly shaped items may be a bit of a pain don,t you think they would work just as well ?

P:S: I have never been truly hungry in my life . I still understand where they are coming from . A girl I know used to measure her food down to counting the teabags . It wasn,t an obsession . It was just someone who had to make do for an awful long time . I was never hungry at her house and the tea was always sweet . What else could a man want ?
 
In the short term, protein is probably not that important. Carbs will get you through the first few days with plenty of energy. After that, you'll start needing the protein.
 
falnovice, yeah it surprises me how people think, or don't think. I had friends who were throwing away meat out of the freezer because the power went off. But it was 30 degrees outside!?!?

First of all, cook it and have a feast.

I have three heating sources in the house, fuel oil, propane cooking range and a wood stove.. The fuel oil furnace will be out in a power outage, but the others work just fine...not luxury living, but I can survive just fine.

My big concern is water supply...in '98 I had a gravity fed water system. It came off a community spring off my property, no longer available. Now I have a deep drilled well with a deep well pump 300 feet down. If the power goes, my water goes, but we keep containers filled.

And there are naturally flowing artesian wells within a few miles of me, good clean spring water free to the public, but it means driving there. Might not be possible in another ice storm. So we melt snow and ice.
 
Codger next to good baked beans , bean soup is my favourite . Is there nothing else that needs to be done aside from what you describe ?

I don't have any secret recipes for you. Stretching available food is common in many cultures, less so in Western culture, so it is not ingrained in our dietary habits. The poorer people of the Mexican interior survive of what we would consider very meager fare. The same for many orientals. Note common features of their native recipes. Starches such as rice or beans, vegetable pastes, a few scattered vegetables for color, bits of meat or seafood, and spices to add flavor, some quite hot or bitter, some sweet or aromatic. I personally like Creole foods (Acadian) as opposed to Cajun foods, but I have favorites in both genres. A few spices, some meat or fish scraps, sassafrass leaves, the odd vegetable, onion, rice, and you have a reasonable meal of file' gumbo. Need to stretch it? add more water, a bit more rice, a tad more file' (the sassafrass...it thickens as well as flavors). It can be made with just the rice, some beans, and the spices. All it takes is a bit of creativity, and some very basic ingredients. The same ingredients can be combined to make oriental dishes, or Mexican. GOt two eggs but four people to feed? Make a thin chicken broth flavored soup with bullion, a tiny can of flaked chicken, and add the two beaten eggs slowly while stirrng. Voila! Egg drop soup! Perfect with a dish of rice on the side. This will feed four for less than a dollar apiece. You have to come up with your own fortune cookies.

Those are some heavy duty containers . I thought your other idea of the food grade buckets with gasketed lids held as much merit and are free . I used them to store sacks of rice . A 22 pound bag fit right in the ones I had .
Aside from needing good hands to pop the tops and the fact that fitting canned goods or oddly shaped items may be a bit of a pain don,t you think they would work just as well ?

They will work, but there is a lot of wasted space because of the shape of the buckets and cans. It does make the canned goods more portable though.

P:S: I have never been truly hungry in my life .
Most people have not, so you are not alone. I've not spent my life in hunger, but have had some very lean times. You learn to make do and appreciate what little food does come your way. Fasting is a good way to prepare yourself for the possibility of hunger. You learn what to expect if it ever does happen, and if it doesn't, you have more empathy for those for whom it is a way of life. And a more personal understanding of how to gather and husband resources so that it doesn't happen to you. For many people, the closest they will come to a SHTF situation might be when everyone in the household looses their jobs. Or possibly a new Great Depression (remember the Y2K scare?), whatever the cause.

My Granddad and grandmother weren't "survivalists", yet they raised a garden, put up meat and preserves, and protected what was theirs while still being generous with those less fortunate. They did survive the 1930's, at one time fleeing floodwaters on a raft that had been their front porch, then the rationing of WWII. I am not a survivalist either, if that brings to mind "end of the world" movies, black helicopters, etc. I prefer to think of myself as a resourceful realist. It is my heritage.

Codger
 
It's only recently that I've begun to lay in an extra stock of food- I find that buying a few extra cans here and there is the best way. I've got soups, vegetables, potatoes, chilli, curries (I figure strong flavours will be important if I'm on a restricted diet), sardines, and plenty of tuna. Along with that I tend to buy lots of rice and pasta- it gets eaten pretty quick in my house but by buying an extra bag here or there I now have enough to last for a good few weeks of generous eating. Dried pasta and sauce packs are another thing I quite like to have around. Usually a pretty good use by date on the packs and with a little water it's a complete and tasty meal.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned on this thread yet are sports supplements. As well a protein and carb shake mix, you can also buy complete meal replacements; they contain the correct proportions of carbs, proteins and fats. The tubs take up very little room on a shelf for the product inside. A little more spendy than the usual canned or dried goods but it's good quality nutrition. If you need to get out of town a tub or two is easy to transport and all you need for a meal is a little water. Not a long term solution but over the course of a couple of weeks it could offset any impact of a rationed diet.
 
JayMac, I have mentioned before a homemade drink called "Switchell" ....basically, molasses and apple cider vinegar and water. You can add other things such as ginger root. I keep a concentrate of it on the kitchen sink. I add it to my morning tea. It tastes like crap at first, but after you eat or drink something three times, you develop a taste for it. Switchell is high in electrolyte replacement.
 
O:K: now you gotta stop this . I love apple cider vinegar . An ounce of that in a glass of cranberry juice . Better than lemonade on a hot day .
Molasses ? I practically lived on it as a kid . With bread or in warm milk (molasses milk) deelish .

Now I get to try switchel . Sounds great .
 
Kevin, I think I mentioned switchel on another thread. In the 18th century, and probably much earlier, women made it for their men when they were out cutting the fields on a hot summer day. It was the original gatorade.
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned on this thread yet are sports supplements. As well a protein and carb shake mix, you can also buy complete meal replacements; they contain the correct proportions of carbs, proteins and fats.


I agree completely. A shake or bar like that will definitely help you through your day. Bars end up being more pricy than shake mixes, and I'm not too sure about their shelf life. Definitely try one before you buy a case if you go with bars... some are absolutely horrid!

Don't buy a protein powder or meal-replacement powder at the mall, look around online. Most provide 30-50 grams of protein per serving, about as much as a person can digest at one time. Check the nutritional profile, of course. For sustenance purposes you want one with nearly equal carbs and protein, and less fat. These are easy to find and many have a full days' supply of vitamins and minerals, as well. If not, rotate a bottle of multi-vitamins in your pantry, too. If you shop around you can find these kinds of MRP powders for a dollar or less per serving. (there are even kinds for lactose-intolerant people.)

I'm neither a hardcore survivalist nor any kind of athlete; I use these shakes occasionally in place of breakfast or lunch. I confess that they taste a bit bland... I buy chocolate flavor and add a couple teaspoons of Ovaltine to it for the vitamin content and flavor :)

The old-school types who've posted to this thread are totally right, the staples and some extras to make it platable are the best place to start. But after a few paydays of stocking up a little at a time :thumbup: check out the sports-supp/protein-shake angle, too... 30 servings of protein and carbs in a sealed jug less than the size of a gallon of water, for around $30, won't add much to your budget or take up much space in your pantry or trunk.
 
SWITCHEL?!?!?

Hell, I didn't think anyone knew what that was anymore!
I remember a few years back there was some foolishness at work about sports drinks and what not and some one piped up with the question: "What was the first energy drink?" I butted in with Milk, then Switchel.
They looked at me like I grew another head.

Might be something tasty to have on hand when you are finally down to Hardtack.
Heh heh.
 
falnovice, that's so funny! Thanks! I thought I was growing another head by even mentioning switchel here. Thanks for the backup.

Hardtack? well that's another story. You gotta soak it in water for half an hour before you can eat it. LOL

I guess the other big favorite would be beef jerky, or some other critter, like horned toads.

Maybe that's a new thread. Gimme your best dried meat solutions, other than beef, venison, elk, moose, or bear. Gotta be original.
 
I confess that they taste a bit bland... I buy chocolate flavor and add a couple teaspoons of Ovaltine to it for the vitamin content and flavor :)

It's also useful for adding into porridge or the like for a quick protein fix.
 
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